This is ridiculous.

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  1. devilonthetownhallroof

    devilonthetownhallroof 2007 TGG Fantasy Baseball League Champion

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    I can't believe they actually have rules at Yankee stadium to "restrict fans movement" and that they hire cops as ushers to block fans from moving around with chains. I guess they're allowed to make the rules in their stadium but where was the fan outrage when this was proposed? And why aren't more people complaining about it now?
     
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    Well, there are two sides to that story if you read it. Choose which ever you want to believe,
     
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    But the sides of the story don't matter. You're not allowed to leave your seats during this crap at Yankee stadium unless it's an emergency. If this guy was trying to push his way past to get out the cops were just doing their jobs throwing him out. The better question is how a situation like this came to be at the stadium, and why the fans don't care about it.
     
  5. devilonthetownhallroof

    devilonthetownhallroof 2007 TGG Fantasy Baseball League Champion

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    Even if he WAS drunk and standing on a seat, the fact that people aren't allowed to go to the bathroom during the seventh inning stretch is absurd.
     
  6. AlioTheFool

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    I actually don't have a problem with people standing and respecting the troops during God Bless America. I understand the problem certain people have with the song, but those same people would throw a shitfit regardless of the song, simply because they were told to have some respect for the moment.

    The song doesn't matter. It's 2 minutes of your time to pay respect to the troops who protect your right to walk around freely during any other 2 minutes of the game you choose. If you don't like it, don't go to Yankee Stadium. Pretty simple.
     
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    The seventh inning stretch lasts as long after God Bless America ends as it does at any other stadium in the major leagues. There's ample time to go to the bathroom after the song ends and Cotton Eye Joe begins.
     
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    I've been to a lot of games this year, and I really don't see this happening. I don't even take my hat off for doG bless america anymore. I mean, its a stupid song, and retarded fans still yell HATS OFF like it's the national anthem or something. It's just another bit of Yankee Propaganda.

    That's what it used to be, but now it's just an annoying side-show of fake patriotism and religious chest-thumping.
     
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    It's bullshit. The people that care about other people standing or not walking around during God Bless America are the same type douchebags that drive around with little American flags on their cars thinking they're supporting the troops. The types that scream for other people to take off their hats during the National Anthem.

    As the Yankees are steeped in pretentious douchebaggery and fake patriotism it really doesn't suprise me all that much that there are those who would welcome such measures I'm just suprised we don't hear more about this from the normal fans.
     
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    Spot on. Pretty much echos how it is.
     
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    devilonthetownhallroof 2007 TGG Fantasy Baseball League Champion

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    I wouldn't have a problem with it if they did it either at the end of the 6th or end of the 7th. I don't go to Yankee Stadium often so it doesn't really affect me, but I think part of the reason they do it still is to make the opposing pitcher wait longer.

    And to make the fans wait for it is directly OPPOSING what it's supposed to symbolize.
     
  12. AlioTheFool

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    Whatever. I agree with the policy. If you don't, don't attend games at Yankee Stadium. It's pretty simple.

    And anyone who doesn't take their hat off for the National Anthem is a douchebag. To allow any references to God to cloud your opinion so much as to not even show respect for the flag and what it stands for is blatant douchebaggery.

    I'm not telling anyone to remove their hats during God Bless America. That's a matter of personal choice. But considering the announcement regarding paying respect to the troops is made right before it every time, the least people can do is stand still for 80 seconds. It's not eating into any extra bathroom time. If they didn't do it at all, you'd have the same amount of time to hit the head.
     
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    It's ALL a matter of personal choice. Do you think the troops care that some asshole at the Yankee game had to take a leak while they were playing God Bless America? And why are people so concerned if someone else has their hat on? Because they want to look like the big patriot yelling at the "unamerican" fan who won't take off his hat.

    Seems to me if people were really concerned about respect they'd be concentrating on the song or their own thoughts and not what the guy 10 rows down has on his head.
     
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    I don't pay attention to anyone else when the Anthem or GBA is on. I also don't approve of any casual fans worrying about what anyone else is doing.

    But letting the cops handle it isn't a problem to me.

    And I only say that the hat removal should be assumed necessary for the Anthem, not GBA.

    As for how troops feel, I don't know any serving today, but I can say that all of my family that served in the past would have kicked my ass up and down the stairs had I not taken my hat off for the National Anthem.

    As for yelling at someone "looking like" a big patriot, did you ever consider that maybe, just maybe, they are a patriot? Of course not. It doesn't suit your argument.
     
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    devilonthetownhallroof 2007 TGG Fantasy Baseball League Champion

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    But again, doesn't FORCING people to act a certain way during a song DIRECTLY oppose what the song is supposed to stand for?
     
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    I understand the point. However, when you were in school, would you have ever considered walking out to hit the bathroom while the Pledge was being recited? It's just a matter of respect. It's a custom in Yankee Stadium established by the ownership. Would you walk into an Asian restaurant and refuse to remove your shoes if requested? That's how I see it.
     
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    I'm sure in their minds they think they're being patriotic. However, screaming "TAKE OFF YER HATTTTTTTTTT" doesn't fit any definition of patriotism I know.
     
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    Yes, I would have, and probably did. I don't know a single kid that ever took the pledge of allegiance as anything more than "just something we had to do" in the classroom, so that's probably a bad example.

    But if the entire situation is BASED on the idea that the US is a beacon of freedom and liberty, doesn't dictating how people act during it turn it into a giant mockery? It's different than the restaurant scenario.

    Should people GO to the bathroom during the song is an entirely different question than should they be ALLOWED to. If they want to, they should be allowed to, and people can just think of them as douchebags if they see fit. But to say they can't make that choice on their own is asinine.
     
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    I couldnt agree more. I dont mind people not taking their hats off during GBA, but we should all assume the respect of hats off during the National Anthem. We shouldn't have to tell people to take their hats off at that time, thus contradicting the idea of freedom. Any real American should know this, and respect this...
     
  20. AlioTheFool

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    I understand your point, and I agree with this one. It's really no one else's business what someone 6 rows ahead of them is doing. That's why I mind myself and my kids. No one else matters.

    I guess that's how they conduct themselves up there in New England.

    Not in their house. When you walk into my house, there's certain rules you need to follow. You don't want to? Get out. Pretty simple.

    Again, there is ample time to go to the bathroom after the song, which isn't even the entire song. It barely lasts a minute and a half. After it, they play Cotton Eye Joe, which is when the "7th inning stretch" begins. If the song didn't play at all, there'd be exactly the same amount of time to go to the bathroom. It's the "rule" in Yankee Stadium. Again, you don't like it? Don't attend. (You could get up before the final out of the top of the 7th to avoid it too, if you really need to piss that badly.)

    The one point I understand from your end is the one regarding the placement of the song. I don't see it as any more than it has to go somewhere, why not during the traditional time for everyone to stand up anyway? I understand you having an issue with it preventing your pitcher from getting out to the mound, even though we both know it really doesn't make a difference to the pitcher (except maybe that dirtbag Beckett).
     

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