The True QB Battle: Geno Smith vs. Bryce Petty

Solid post and should make for a nice thread but I wouldn't agree with the whole "Jets already know what they have in Geno" thought process.

I'll need more time to evaluate Petty but regarding Geno? Ater only his 1st two seasons being surrounded by less than below mediocre talent followed by learning behind a veteran in Fitzpatrick from the outside looking in (last year) I wouldn't say that's a fair assessment regarding Geno's development, talent level, overall ability and/or current potential.

Some people fail to realize that Geno & Petty are pretty much the same age. The sky could be the limit for #7. How can we say we know what we have in Geno, when as a front office, coaching staff and fan base we've never seen Geno surrounded by the likes of Brandon Marshall, Decker and Enunwa with Forte & Powell coming out of the backfield?

He's never had that.

Throw in prospects such as Devin Smith, Peake along with Jalin and who's to say Geno doesn't enjoy big time success behind a truly stout defense moving forward?

I think you keep both. All 4 for that matter. Continue to evaluate. Geno could truly flourish when surrounded by top notch talent if given the opportunity here in N.Y.

Last night was only a preseason game. But i was proud of Geno to the point of having to go back and re-watch his performance. He's matured. I seen it. Came out with the jitters (natural), overcame the early boo-birds from the fans with an agenda and began to deliver from there. Even finished with a QB Rating of 97 for the night.

Hit our rookie Peake with a beautiful back-shoulder pass & catch inside the end zone for a TD on 3rd down heading into the half. That was momentum following Jalin's explosive kick return. Geno delivered a TD scoring drive ending the half. Came out starting off the 3rd Quarter with a FG leading drive. Continued the momentum built.

Seen maturity the entire time. Off a botched snap instead of getting carried away trying to force a play; he simply slid to the ground & lived for another down. Did the same thing on a broken play but instead of forcing a contested pass; he just threw the ball away and into the grass. Didn't throw an int and wasn't sacked either. Two scoring drives with only 14 pass attempts.

We can not say we know what we have in Geno until we see Geno receiving the same opportunity in which Fitzpatrick currently has. I'd love to see his capabilities alongside the likes of Forte and Powell coming out of the backfield, featuring a true #1 in Marshall feasting the outside, a great 2nd option in a big Decker working out of the slots and all over the middle of the field, having an emerging Enunwa as a WR/TE tweener type along with prospects such as Peake, Jalin & yes, Amaro.

Us Geno believers and supporters have never rooted for Geno under anything close to those scenarios. We've simply stuck with him while having his back under less than ideal situations. I'm not sorry to say this, but Geno has never had that opportunity above therefore it agitates me to see critics acting as if he has. It's annoying truthfully.

 

The Jets don't know what they have in Geno. They only know what he was in the past. I wish you people who hate Geno would stop saying that. Only you guys think you know what the Jets have in Geno. Until he gets a chance to play under Gailey on a regular basis and develop a rhythm, the Jets don't know and won't know what they have in Geno.

 

Petty's shown definite improvement. I think management may very well know what they have in Geno.....Better than us anyway.

I've been waiting 8 years to see a QB show some growth outside of Favre and Fitz. I was very happy to see Petty improved. I'm also happy to see the discussion move past the Fitz/Geno nonsense.

I think what's best for the team would be to stash Hack somehow and play this year with Fitz and Geno/Petty.
Next year I think Geno is gone.

 

Last night's game I noticed Petty doing a lot of instructing and moving guys around for blitz pickup. He looks like he understands the offense. Also if a teammate made a mistake Petty patted them on the shoulder and tried to lift them up several times. He seems like a leader and a good teammate.

I didn't see that from Geno, though maybe I missed it on a single view.

 

I hope they find a way to keep all four. I don't think the Jets should give up on Petty. Sure he was a later round pick, but it's too soon to let him go. I've heard he struggled in camp a bit, but he looked pretty good last night. He looked poised and aware of his surroundings and the situation at hand during each play.

I understand the team needs Geno as a #2 this year, since Petty is likely not ready to be the #2, but I've never been comfortable with Geno's awareness during games. That's why I'm reluctant to believe he can truly succeed as a starter.

Bottom line is I wouldn't be ready to cut ties with either of the two just yet, but we'll see if the FO thinks otherwise. It will certainly be tough figuring out how to hold onto all four.

 

As I said on the other thread (didn't see this one), Petty is too valuable an asset to cut. That's because he's under contract through 2018 and projects to be a solid backup with an outside chance of becoming a starter. If we lose Geno after this year, we'll do well to have Petty on the team. If Petty beats Geno, we cut or trade Geno. If not, we keep all 4.

 

Excellent.....

My fear is Geno will come in sometime this season, play well, and then run into the arms of some other team the minute (second?) the season ends. Geno can't be too happy with McCagnan right now....

 

Yep, pretty much on point. I'd like to see Petty get the reps vs. some of the 1's and the majority of the #2's in next week's game, just as Geno did this past game. It'd be the only true way to evaluate them, by putting them in the same situation. Petty impressed me a lot, as I thought he would still look a lot more raw than he did. Geno played well too, although he threw a typical near interception, the same type of pass that makes me want to pull my hair out. Rear back, and rip it regardless of coverage to the complete wrong spot. It was the only negative though, and it wasn't picked off, so I can't count it against him too much because I'm not a believer in the phantom stat of 'near interceptions.'

This is very important when looking at what type of asset both quarterbacks can be. I don't think it was intended as a slight to Geno, but the rosters reaction to resigning Fitzpatrick definitely ended up being a slight to #7. Marshall and Decker were biting their nails all offseason at the thought of going into the season with Geno as a starter. It's not a good sign, coupled with the squabble with IK as no teammates really stepped in to calm down the situation, and the guys on the roster not citing that IK was wrong and Geno was right.

He doesn't seem to really instill any sort of confidence in his teammates, and has poor leadership qualities. It's unfortunate, but leadership is a quality that is tough to teach. This guy is entering his fourth season. If he had the quality, I'd assume we would have heard lots and lots about it by now. Never once has he been mentioned in an article, report, or post game press conference as being a leader.

Everyone in support of Geno is so hung on the fact that 'we have to see what we have in him,' despite two starting years and now four training camps into his career. Can't the same argument be made for Petty? He seems to be neck and neck with Geno, and they're both at the same spot in the system, while Geno has two years of starting experience ahead of Petty. In my mind, Geno is what he is, and Petty has a lot more upside than Geno does at this point.

 

+100

 

After watching the preseason game I felt like Geno looked awkward in the pocket compared to Petty who looked smooth and natural. While Geno had a few nice throws, with the back shoulder TD being an excellent throw, his inconsistency showed as it always has. I just rewatched the Geno & Petty snaps for week one and I see that Geno's footwork is fucked. That's why he's inconsistent. If a jackass like me can see it I know the coaches can.

If he doesn't have his footwork down at this point he probably isn't ever going to get it. At this point I'll be surprised if Geno isn't the odd man out. All of the actions of the Jets FO have shown they don't trust him, and the on field performances of Geno & Petty are starting to show that Petty has more promise.

 

No way Geno is not on this team. Fitzpatrick has a history of injuries and Geno has won games in the NFL. Petty has shown and done nothing. QB is the most important position in sports. If you think one of your 3 back ups can eventually be a starter you keep 3.

 

If we(Jets staff) had any faith in Geno we would have not drafted QB 2 years in a row..Wouldn't have resigned Fitz..etc. The writing on the wall is there. I believe he will be odd man out

 

And if you think two of your back ups can eventually be a starter, who do you cut?

 

Last year the starting job was Geno's to lose, he did. This year the #2 spot is Geno's to lose... we'll see.

Unless we carry 4 QB's, Geno has to show himself a lot better than a late round pick from 2 years ago.

 

Yeah, his footwork is a mess. He takes these ugly little quick steps like he's stabbing the ground beneath him, it's awkward to watch.

Someone in another thread talked about how he calmed down after the TD pass (his first good pass of the game) and they were right. He looked much calmer and put some really nice touch on his passes, made don't nice first downs.

That's one of my main issues with Geno, his lack of confidence in the pocket. He needs to have a play go well in order to get into a rhythm, which is true for a lot of QBs, just not for a lot of successful QBs. It's frustrating to watch, and part of why I hope we never have to rely on him as a starter again.

Petty looked far more confident in comparison, and looks to also have a stronger arm, better footwork, quickest release of any QB on the team, and has never gotten busted sending dick pics over the internet.

If I knew nothing about the team and you told me one of them was a second year player and one was a fourth year player, I'd guess Petty was the guy with more years under his belt.

Then again, it's preseason game 1.

 

Very true - just one preseason game. But as fans that all we have to look at. Regardless - I don't see that footwork getting to where it needs to be in a few weeks, if ever.

 

You keep all 4 and here's why.

You keep Geno because he has NFL experience and he's a capable backup. On a contract year if Fitz goes down, you still are prepared to keep the same offense and still win games.

You keep Petty because he's a cheap developmental QB who may be worth something by the time you need him (possibly next year) 1 year is okay but getting 2 years worth of development under an offense would do wonders for Petty and may make him ready next year to start.

 

These are huge games for each of them. Geno has a hell of an arm, but I still see a guy who doesn't really know how to be a quarterback. He just doesn't have any awareness in the pocket.

I'm firmly in the keep Petty if you have to cut one of them. I don't care that Geno has game experience, because outside of a couple games, he has been bad. From my point of view, if both guys started on even footing this year, through one preseason game, Petty is slightly in the lead. Howeve4, that doesn't take practices into account, which I know nothing about outside of reports.

I've said a few times, I'm deferring to the coaching staff on this one. They've seen these guys in practice and have an idea who they'd prefer. I think Petty has room to grow, and I'm reluctant to think Geno will ever fix his fundamental issues.


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