How do you guy feel about safety heading into the draft? Rhodes looks like hes a keeper and should only improve...but to me Coleman is the question mark. Was it just a sophomore slump, or was he just an overachiever in 04? Mangini can work wonders with our defensive backfield, but should safety be a priority heading into the draft?
Our safetys are solid and will be great for years to come. We also have good depth at safety so I dont want to draft a safety at all this draft.
If we do decide to go safety, Jon Alston might merit consideration in the 3rd round. He's 6'1, 223, and ran a 4.40. He played LB in college but might be able to make the switch to safety, ala Adam Archulleta and Michael Boulware
Coleman underachieved this last season for the simple reason that everyone on the defense had no hope for winning games knowing that our offense was so bad that they thought we could not win a single game. They lost all hope when Penny and Fiedler went down and played a decent game against the ravens but our offense as they expected only put 3 points on the board. I think he will do just fine.
Draft Notes 4-15 There have been reports that NFL sources are saying physicians have concerns that the hip injured by Tennessee defensive back Jason Allen last season could possibly be a degenerative condition. At this point, Allen has had a number of visits with NFL teams and none have asked him, or his representatives, any questions about, or shown any concern over the condition of his hip. Draft Notes 4-14 Jason Allen, (DB, Tennessee) has had approximately 20 visits scheduled with NFL teams including the Chargers, Vikings, Browns, Ravens, Steelers, Jets and Dolphins
Our safties are fine........we have way to many other holes to fill then have to worry about a safety.
What does that have to do with it? That excuse dosent apply, Rhodes did a fine job. Coleman was crap. Even in preseason, when the team was completely healthy, he was blowing coverage left and right. Not only that, but as early as 2004, especially towards the end of the season, he was exposed for the poor coverman he is. Anybody remember the Rams game, or the PO game at SD? Hes good for a 5th round pick but I dont think hes the long term solution. Itll be tough to decide when to address the situation with all the holes we have, but if we trade down first, its certainly a great possibility.
Allen is a legit top 10 talent (before the knee injury, and he's shown that he's recovered fully from it), if he falls to #29 I would be pretty happy if we took him. Plus he can and has played corner before. Our safeties are solid, but not amazing. Coleman IMO was an overacheiver, he's okay, but can easily be exploited, especially in the passing game. If we play the 3-4 our safeties are kind of small. Rhodes would be okay if he's still going to start next year at FS in the 3-4, but Coleman is undersized for that position (SS in the 3-4). I honestly believe Bing fell flat on his face (he had a subpar season, somewhat lengthy injury history, and didn't work out all that well), so I still think he's going to drop, and I still think he's going to drop into the the 3rd, if he's there with our pick, I think he'd be a good fit at that spot to take, because he may be able to be great at SS in the 3-4. In other systems he may struggle though, and I think many are looking at him as an injury prone version of Thomas Davis, who struggled a lot with Carolina last year after going in the middle of the first, so much that he may be moved to LB there. Combine that with the fact Davis had better on field success in college, nowhere near the injury problems, worked out a tad better, and didn't have a clone of him flop the year before in the NFL, and that's how he went that high (though that still was considered to high by many at that time). With all things considered I think Bing falls, due to all those reasons. I'd like him in with our third though. Those are the only two I'd really look at for this team in this draft on the first day.
Ive always like Bing, I think he would be a great addition. And as much as Id like him, I dont see how its possible to fix the oline, pick up a stud pass rusher, and a stud safety, without trading down. Which got me thinking, lets say we trade the #4 to Minn for their 1st rounder and two 2nd rounders (about equal in value) 1a) RB DeAngelo Williams 1b) LB Bobby Carpenter 2a) C Nick Mangold 2b) OG Max Jean-Gilles 2c) S Darnell Bing 3) OT Andrew Whitworth Not too freakin bad, huh? :up:
He did underachieved, and Rhodes did a fine job, not saying that it was an excuse because he should have played better but I believe that Coleman had no hope in the team last season because his diaries were like "and we lost again, we tried to do our best but the offense never existed" and every week was the same thing, I think Rhodes never quit on the team because he was the rookie and had to show that he belongs here in this league, he is a better player than Coleman and Rhodes looks like a leader and will get better next season. Coleman has to show up this season because if he doesn't he will not be around much longer with the jets, maybe he wants to reunite with his girlfriend in DC and go to a closer place.
I would not say that the Jets are fine at safety, but we also don't need a big overhaul at the position. Eric Coleman had a very bad season last year but I am willing to write that off as a fluke seeing as how just about everybody on the team had an awful season. Kerry Rhodes is grossly overrated around here but I have little doubt that he is only going uphill from here. We could use an upgrade at the position but I am not ready to give up on either of our starters, both of whom have star potential. I would draft a day 2 safety if only for depth (we did waive Celestin) and let the situation play itself out.
Eric Coleman is nothing special. Other then having a few picks his rookie year he didn't do anything on the field in two years that says he's going to be anything more then an average safety. With that being said I don't think it's a position that we need to address in the first day or even in this draft. Mangini should be able to get the most out of Rhodes, Coleman and hopefully a healthy Maddox. If he comes to the conclusion that they are not long term answers then will move on.
I think we need a veteran safety. Coleman and Rhodes are good starters that will only get better, and we have two very young guys backing them up in Maddox and Washington. This youth could lead to them getting beat over the top and mistakes in the secondary. We don't need a starting safety, and for backups we don't young safety, because it wouldn't be an upgrade over what we have now, but a veteran who won't make as many mistakes and can teach the young kids could help us.
We are set at safety for quite a few years now, Coleman and Rhodes are studs and will only get better. But I do feel that we will take a safety in the draft just for depth and special teams.
Actually a 2nd year dropoff of safeties is very typical. Coleman should rebound solidly and be very good for us this year. Rhodes may have a step back like Coleman last year but I think we are quite solid at safety.
I think that the Safeties are the least of our worries at this point, we have to take care of our Def. line and Off. line first.
I wouldn't mind drafting a safety with one of our 7th round picks to compete with Andre Maddox for special teams. No problem with building depth.
