The men can talk here (2 beasts at Safety)

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  1. Pags2112

    Pags2112 Well-Known Member

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    Actually the most efficient pressure is directly up the middle. I never mentioned blitzing DB's

    LOL I threw Millener in there as a pun to those with above par 40 times getting beat all day long.

    Even though straightline speed is still the goto measure, the 10 yard dash is also High on the list as it measures speed burst and make up speed.

    According to a five-year NFL combine report, wide receivers and cornerbacks had the fastest average times at 4.55, followed by running backs at 4.59. The following average times were measured between 2008 and 2012 at the NFL combine.[17] Wikipedia

    Looking at this and last years results looks about the same.

    Based on history, you want your corners to post a time of 4.5 or under. Brandt NFL Media Senior Analyst
     
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  2. Martin&theJETS

    Martin&theJETS Well-Known Member

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    If you run press it is pretty imperative they run around the same speed. Tabor with his 4.6 will get beat, but if he plays off the ball he already has a little bit of a head start.
     
  3. ColoradoContrails

    ColoradoContrails Well-Known Member

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    Why do you say this? Is it because that's the straightest line to the QB? Or is it based on how often a QB is sacked by an interior DL?
     
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    101GangGreen101 2018 Thread of the Year Award Winner

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    Closest to the football. A strong interior pass-rush is a QB's worst nightmare. Tom Brady hates interior pressure. Just remember the SB with Grady Jarrett on the Falcons.
     
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    Yes, I agree that pressure up the middle is the most efficient and that you never mentioned blitzing DBs. I mentioned them because that's what Rex did, and I believe Bowles did in Phoenix as well, but may be wrong about that.

    Thanks for the stats. I guess I'm wrong, but I would have sworn that WR average 40 times were better than that.
     
  6. Pags2112

    Pags2112 Well-Known Member

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    I think your right about Bowles and Rex .. I have to go back and watch a game or two and a Cardinals coached Bowles Defense.

    Www.nflreplays.net
     
  7. NYJETS4life24

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    Excited to watch these two beast wreak havoc on offenses and giving Mo and Leo more time to get to the qb. Claiborne stay healthy and Burris take a huge step and the defense will be pretty good.
     
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    did "the men" figure anything out in here? or are they just dropping loads in each others faces?

    what a douchey thread title.
     
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  9. ColoradoContrails

    ColoradoContrails Well-Known Member

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    Thanks for the clarification.
     
  10. jerseyjay14

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    Drafting "best player available' sounds great and is sometimes the way to go... but you need to be careful because that model isnt sustainable. if the BPA turns out where it is consistently defense or all in one area then in 3 or 4 years you will have to move on from those guys because you cant afford to invest contracts on first rounders on 1 side of the ball or in one spot. you need to spread the money around

    we have already seen this here: Mo, Shelly, Williams, Snacks. snacks was already a casualty... we almost walked away from wilkerson, and shelly is likely not going to be signed to stay here. So you need to ask yourself, would i rather reach for a player who isnt BPA and not get the best draft valyue, or do i take BPA and then hope im not trading him for 75 cents on the dollar later because i cant afford to pay 4 defensive lineman 1st round money?

    When Williams, Lee, Adams, Mauldin, Maye, Pryor all need to get paid we end up dumping guys for 75 cents on the dollar, letting them walk, or sacraficing offense because we are overly invested on the defensive side of the ball.

    and id be ok overinvesting in defense if it was for a corner and edge pass rusher along with williams. but safetys, middle linebackers... tough to really overcommit a ton there.

    Again, adams is ok... but you go defense in round 1/2 every year eventually your going to end up losing one of those guys and get little value back or just let them walk. when you could have reach a bit and gotten a guy you keep long term
     
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    Mogriffjr Well-Known Member

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    BPA can be for any side of the ball. I'm sure the brass isn't just picking the best guy at the top of their board every pick. Maybe 2nd on the list is a great fit so you pick that guy instead of the guy that's currently #1 because maybe he's a 3 tech guy and you have plenty of those guys for example.
     
  12. forevercursed

    forevercursed Well-Known Member

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    Correct. Early on with us Rex's blitz's did work and we got great pressure that resulted in either INT's, throwaways, and hits to the QB. But the league quickly wised up and started picking up his stunts better.

    The way the league is set up today you absolutely need the edge rusher that can go in and disrupt. It doesn't have to be Fred Dean circa 1983 but with the way Olines get away with holding nowadays (unless you're the Falcons in the SB, in that case we'll flag you every time in order to knock you out of FG range and give NE the ball back) and how difficult they've made it to cover and banned clean hits...the speed rusher is that ace up your sleeve that every good defense needs to force a QB to the ground or to make mistakes with ill advised throws

    It gives your D an extra element that the offense needs to guard against. It breaks up an offenses rhythm.
     
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  13. PennyRoyal10

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    Ha HA HA HA
     
  14. The Waterboy

    The Waterboy Well-Known Member

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    Difference over 20 yards between a person that runs a 4.4 vs a person that runs a 4.6 would be about 1 yard. That doesn't take into account a bump at the line, a 2 yard cushion.

    There are a multitude of other factors more important than .2 of a second over 40 yards. Sherman runs around 4.56, Butler 4.6, Abouye 4.58, Mathieu 4.51, Hayward 4.53, Josh Norman 4.66 . The fastest CB in the draft was drafted in the 7th round.
     

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