First round picks on a D-Line that cant beat stand-ins 4 Quarterbacks all equally bad No Linebackers No Corners Forte they said he was gliding against Cincinnati - what he is is is old and slow! Receiving squad mostly undrafted and looking like 87 replacement players It's hard to find anyone worth keeping........ God help us against the Pats, were paying for this shit-show every week! The O-Line our "weak spot" is about the best part of this team
Mac didnt draft geno. Fitz was always a 1 year stop gap. the 2 quarterbacks mac did draft, have taken a total of 0 regular season snaps. im not ready to judge anyone who has never taken a snap. We took Darren lee and Mauldin. to early to tell on either. both have had ups and downs. I agree with you on forte and bringing in older guys. you dont try to "win now" without the coach and QB being known good commodoties and average all around overall.
Lol People finally seeing the light I think there was a handful of us who felt this way last Spring Mac is not bad, he is 50 times better than say Idzik He listens mostly to Bowles and that's a mistake Going forward I want to see how his Drafts play out Free agency is always dangerous because you pay big bucks for players other teams are more than willing to part with
I don't see how you can say he listens to Bowles too much, especially since Mac buys the groceries. If anything, Mac was under the pressure from the players for continuously supporting Fitzpatrick, he then folded. Mac and Bowles both have to fix the mess they are currently in together. - You haven't seen Petty or Hack play in a regular season game - He drafted Lorenzo, Lee and Jenkins in 2 drafts - Hoping Burris shows up in the near future at CB, however this position may need to be prioritized in the near future. - Forte has been misused, and in my opinion this issue lies on Mac for not finding another RB. A Devonte Booker would've really helped out the running game. - We've had more talent at WR, since prior to Rex being here. We got some young guys that can make plays, the key is having a QB to get them the ball. This is an overreaction don't you think?
Awesome thread. Really needed to be made. I can't think of any other threads where these points would have been relevant. Well done o.p.
I have read many Mac quotes and listened to interviews and I have heard him say many many times he believes he can build the line thru Free Agency. He was pressed on this after the draft a few times and he was not concerned at all,,,,,I am
I definitely put more of the blame on Bowles and the personnel than I do Mac, but it's foolish to absolve him of all blame. He caved and signed Fitz for $12M when he could have gotten Hoyer for a fraction of the price, he overpaid Revis, Forte doesn't look good, and we reached on a QB who is a loooong-term project. He's better than Idsik for sure, but you can't put this whole season on the players/Coaching staff
You are clueless. I recommend following a game that is more your speed. Try Tiddly Winks or maybe Volleyball. The three major sports are all probably beyond your ability to comprehend them.
Myself and some other posters were killed, KILLED! on this board this offseason when we suggested that Hoyer might be a good option instead of Fitzpatrick. I remember simply suggesting they were similar players and getting raked over the coals
You are wrong imo. I have heard/seen his quotes on building the OL many times, and always, he talks about building it through mid- and lower-round raft picks and filling in with FA. To my knowledge, he has never said building the OL solely through FA.
I thought Fitz was a better option, but I would have taken Hoyer at 1 yr/2M(!!!) over Fitzy at 12. The Front Office caved to Fitz and caved to the fans.
We are mainly in this spot because of Fitz. The D is on the field way to long. Not only with the turnovers but way to many 3 and outs.
It certainly did not help the jets leverage-wise when Bowles stupidly proclaimed last year "If Fitzpatrick comes back, he's the starter." Doesn't exactly give the jets a position of negotiation from strength.
That's fair. No HC or GM is perfect. I didn't want him to re-sign Fitz, but Bowles obviously wanted him because he had named him the starter at the end of the previous season. Marshall, Decker and other Jets had spoken out publicly saying that they wanted Fitz back as well. Then there was the fan base. After the offensive success the team had last season, the fan base would have gone into open revolt and been apoplectic if Mac had signed Hoyer or some other QB and didn't bring Fitz back. I can totally understand why he "caved" and brought Fitz back. That meant the players, HC, and fan base were happy. The team wouldn't have to start all over with a new QB having to learn the offense and build chemistry with his teammates. 95% of the fanbase didn't want Geno anywhere near the starting QB job. For all we know, Woody may have ordered Mac to bring Fitz back as well. I was never in favor of signing Forte. He has been a great back in the NFL, but he's logged a lot of carries and hits in his career. Even though he is the consummate professional and works to keep in shape, age takes a toll. That said, I don't think he looks bad or is done. I think the Jets overused him in the first 2-3 games, and the OL is not opening any holes for him. It's hard to run the ball successfully when the opponent knows that you can't beat them deep, so they can stack 8 men in the box to stop the run and short passes and dare you to beat them deep. Other FA moves and draft picks that Mac has made may prove to be mistakes in time, and we can criticize him for those moves at that time. Again, however, no one is perfect. Even the best GMs in the history of the game have whiffed badly on FAs and draft picks. No one bats 1.000. Thankfully, the better GMs bat a lot higher than .300 in the NFL, and I think to date that Mac has by far. He has shown signs of learning and not being in over his head ala Bowles, so I think that any criticism needs to be kept in perspective.
They could've went ahead with Hoyer on the cheap, gotten Wilkerson done earlier, and signed a decent offensive lineman, a TE like Fleener. maybe hang onto Ivory. Idk if they would be better than 1-5 right now with that plan but I don't think they'd be in a worse position
They've only had 11 3 and outs all year. Which is top 10 best in the league. I agree Fitzpatrick is the problem but its his turnovers and his hapless play in the red zone more than 3 and outs.
Do you really think signing Hoyer would have worked? Bowles had already named Fitz the starter. Marshall, Decker and other Jets had lobbied to bring Fitz back. Most of the fan base loved Fitz after last season. Mac would have been absolutely killed by the fan base and media, and the team and HC would not have been happy at all. We also don't know all the details regarding Mo. Perhaps Mac didn't want him back because of the size of the contract he knew it would take and because he had Sheldon and Richardson. It's easy to say what Mac could have done, but things don't always work out like that in reality. Fleener may not have wanted to play in NYC. He wouldn't have been the first to have thought that way. Ivory wasn't worth what he wanted. He shouldn't have been brought back imo. I liked him, but he was a limited player whose running style wore himself out by mid-season.
