Maclin and McCoy. They should be Jets and we should have seen what we have in Clemens. Instead, we throw away a # of players for a QB that's never played a down in the NFL and just went way higher than he should have gone because this draft lacks QBs and that's that. I think he might be a good QB, but 5th overall? No thank you, especially with what it cost the Jets. Give me Maclin and McCoy and this draft could have been so much better.
just FYI... those 2 guys never played a down in the NFL either, and none of "those guys <the guys we sent in the trade up>" were very good anyway. Ratliff has the potential to be good, but he's an Undrafted FA and the 3rd string QB, who, from all reports, was falling behind ainge after lighting up OTHER TEAMS 3RD STRINGERS LAST PRE-SEASON!!! Coleman, hate to tell ya, but I think he may have been cut anyway, this way there is no salary cap hit. Elam... a hit or miss guy... and he was a miss more than a hit... Maclin - Iffy Route Runner... so whats the point there, so whats the point there, he could be the second coming of Rogers - WR Michigan State who is now home, watching games after being a high first round pick... I like McCoy, and was hoping that he would have fallen a little further and we moved to get him... to bad we didn't All in all, I think we did the right thing. I'm hopeful DISCLAIMER - BY NO MEANS AM I PROCLAIMING THAT SANCHEZ IS THE SAVIOR OR A HALL OF FAMER - HE HAS THE POTENTIAL TO BE A FRANCHISE QB FOR THE NEW YORK JETS - THAT IS WHAT I AM SAYING!!!!
And what did we trade? Two starters who have? Coleman was solid if unspectacular. Can say the same about Elam. But thanks for the retort when that was obviously not what I was talking about. I'm saying we gave up 5 players for 1 that never played a down, and is not the star prospect that people on this board are making him out to be. He might be good, but top 10 QB is his MAX potential. Whether he ever reaches that is anyone's guess. It's unlikely when he has no one to throw the ball to or an average at best RB in Thomas Jones. MACLIN AND MCCOY WOULD HAVE BEEN MUCH BETTER FOR THIS TEAM. At least then you don't just give away a couple of starters.
Sanchez might be a good player. A month ago I was all for drafting him at #17. But that's what I saw him as. Not #5. Not trading away two starters from last year and a 2nd round pick. It just doesn't add up unless he's a sure thing. Are you comfortable with Cotchery and Clowney/Stuckey/Keller?? I'm not okay with that. I think it was an awful move for the needs this team has.
Jesus Christ, people here act like we gave up 3 freaking pro bowlers. We gave up a mediocore at best defensive end, a backup safety, and a third string qb. Only Mangini would have done this trade because they are "his guys". We needed a franchise qb and we got one. Clemens has had 3 years to prove he could be a qualilty starting qb and obviously he has shown the Jets nothing. Pennington would have beaten him out last year, we got Favre, tried to trade for Cutler. What does that tell you?
I'm not comfortable with the WR Corps, and would have loved to see us sign Holt. That being said, the draft is not over, and we we did draft a tall WR from Kansas last year that I would love to see step up this year along with us signing someone and drafting someone and going with that. Teams can win with average WR's. Look at Baltimore, look at Tennessee. Run the ball, don't turn it over and play defense... thats us... not flashy, not tossing it around the yard. We'll upgrade the WR position next year, and probably in this draft at some point. i see us taking a WR and a TE in this draft before we take a DE. I also see us signing Holliday <FA DE> to replace Coleman Just what I think.
I love how all you guys think the Jets owe Kellen something. This is the 2nd coaching staff that has passed on him. I think I will side with the coaches and GM who see this guy everyday. Do I think Sanchez is the savior? Who knows but get off the whole Kellen thing please.
First of all Elam would not be starting, Leonhard is the starter opposite Rhodes. We also signed Douglas and considering Ryan wants to instill his own system, it is more than likely he would be starting over Coleman. Second you have NO IDEA what Sanchez's Max potential is, just like you have no idea if Maclin or McCoy will pan out. You just liked them better and wanted the Jets to draft them instead of Sanchez. No one has any idea what these players will do until they hit the field. Third, Thomas Jones is average at best? Are you kidding me? He lead the AFC in rushing last year and made the Pro-Bowl. Granted he is getting older, but average? What the hell are you talking about? The fact is the Jets swapped 1st rounders, and gave up 3 easily replacable back-ups/average players. It really just cost them a 2nd.
Thats actually the draft i wanted but Sanchez is special and we can draft position players next year (Dez White and Jonathan Dwyer) http://forums.theganggreen.com/showthread.php?t=44552 Sanchez is better than anyone in next years draft and even though i liked Ratliff he wasnt a sure thing.
If that was our game plan, then I was fine with it. But you don't give up all that for a QB if you're just going to run the ball. You get a game manager, not a top of the 1st round pick to play QB. Marcus Henry (the WR you refer to) will probably never see the field. I don't buy into the hype of needing a tall WR just for the sake of it. I was high on Stuckey last year (had us drafting him in the 3rd in my mock and was thrilled we got him in the 7th). If Stuckey/Clowney/Keller pans out then fantastic. I'm hoping the old regime just held them back. But regardless, I have to go based on what I see, and I saw a team that had a hole at WR on the field, and could use a RB. I was willing to see what Clemens could do, and was cautiously optimistic. I don't see Sanchez as the next Peyton Manning, but maybe he'll be good. As for the previous poster, a safety is only called a backup safety if he's a backup. Elam was a starter for us, as unspectacular as he was. Giving up starters means you better have guys ready to replace them. If we don't have a DE or a S to replace them, then you're 100% wrong. You need to fill out these spots with at least comparable talent. There's 22 positions on O & D...it's not the best idea to trade away some of those without backup plans.
My mistake...100% forgot about the Leonhard signing. And yes, Thomas Jones is average. He dances in the backfield, doesn't hit the hole hard, has a solid O-line in front of him that yes, I would take probably 10-15 RBs in the NFL ahead of him right now. And watching Sanchez in college, I think I can surmise a reasonable estimate as to his max potential. If you want to throw out that he can be Peyton Manning, be my guest. He won't be, and he CAN'T be. I hope he pans out, but we're not looking at the next Montana here. Temper your expectations.
I don't think they owe Clemens anything. The best player plays. But I think they gave up way too much to get a player who I think in a draft that had a little more talent would have fallen to the 17th pick. This was a draft to trade down, not a draft to trade up.
