This is a thread to cure the woes on this team. The offense is fine. We draft a G or two -- big fat, mean, grovelly ones later in the draft and we're set for the year. This will shock you: Trade Jonathan Vilma. Trade him for a first round pick to a crap team in the NFC that really needs defensive help. Like the Packers. Or the Cardinals. These teams absolutely suck. And they'lll have great draft position. Rationale: Is Vilma the Curtis martin of LBs? He makes the occasional play, and has awesome tackle stats. He'll lead the league in tackles after his career. But the tackles aren't game changers. And in the 4-3. he can't go sideline to sideline. he gets swallowed up by OL, and can't shed. In short, he's a good 4-3 MLB. A bad fit for the 3-4. Also. Trade Hobson for whatever we can get, trying to get that 5th rounder back, but if we can't get at least a 5th, keep him for depth. Trade Eric Coleman for whatever we can get. Even a sixth rounder. Now. We'd have a big fat hole at ILB, at OLB, and at S in the Mangini flex 3-4... Draft Like this: {we probably won't have the #1 pick, and I wouldn't trade Vilma to the Raiders. But we could gave the #2 pick -- possible but unlikely. If we do, we'd be staring at Adrian Peterson right in the face. But I don't stop there. I pass on Peterson. I trade down again to grab another first rounder, and hover around #5, targeting Quentin Moses. If we don't trade down, I target Quentin Moses anyway, or Gaines Adams, of course depending on their season finales and their measureables. Regradless, we're staring at a star D player. We'd have Leon Hall, Laron Landry, Moses, Adams, MCauly. Whatever, options to trade down. Sam Baker, Peterson, Joe Thomas, I'm talking options galore. Potential Scenarios: A -- With the trade back down: 1. Quentin Moses 3-4 OLB 1. Alan Branch 3-4 end/tackle 1. Lamaar Woodley 3-4 LB. This is Vilma's replacement. 6'2" 270 lbs. Beast. 2. Aaron Rouse/Eric Weddle S 2. Brian Leonard RB, BAP 3. Arron Sears G, RT or best G/T...Ramirez... 4. Manny Ramirez G, BAP, etc B -- Without the trade back down: 1. Quentin Moses 1. Lamaar Woodley 2. Aaron Rouse/Eric Weddle S /Brian Leonard FB 2. Arron Sears G best G/T 3. Brian Robison/Brian Smith OLB whatever 4. Manny Ramirez C -- Without the trade back down {and with Adrian Peterson} 1. Adrian Peterson 1. Lamaar Woodley 2. Tim Crowder, Dan Bazuin or some other 3-4 backer, or a star potential S 2. Arron Sears 3. Robison/Smith 4. whatever Potential Signees in FA: UFA 3-4 LB Adalius Thomas from baltimore. UFA CB Asante Samuel from Pats
the situation on the ground has changed. it is perhaps, best, for all parties. he can't play OLB in the 3-4. And he has trouble inside in the 3-4. Vilma gets engulfed everywhere in the 3-4. Is Mangini stuck to the 3-4? If he is, JV should be allowed to pursue his career elsewhere. And we should be compensated. Hey. I told you the idea would seem crazy.
Why would the Ravens let Adalius Thomas go...or the Pats, well that has a chance, but even then you look at where they'll need help, they won't just ditch Samuel.
Both of them are Unrestricted Free Agents. Which means that if the Jets offer either or both fat contracts, fatter contracts than their former teams, they would probably be enticed to play for the Green and White. These guys aren't RFAs. The teams they play for don't have the right to match contracts. Football is a business and we are in the Era of Free Agency.
Man all of you just writing this off -- you're acting as if I spit on your mother's grave. Calm down and consider the facts. Use some forethought. Even Ray Lewis hated the 3-4 and wasn't as good in it. It's either the 3-4 or Jon Vilma. One of them is going to have to go. Eventually. IMHO.
This is the wrong philosophy. In the salary cap era, it is one thing to overpay for a superstar but a completely wrong idea to overpay for above average talent (cross sports reference look at the Knicks). Jets need solid drafts and solid economical free agent signings that fit the team. Your idea may work good on paper but the Jets are rebuilding and have alot of positions to fill. Overpaying for above-average talent could cripple the team in 2-3 years.
I didn't say overpay. Obviously, if it becomes like a Yankees style free agency, forget it. What I mean is that you have to combine drafting with FA. You have to. You don't build teams just through the draft. You are right though, both Thomas and SAmuel appear headed for career years, and they might command big time contracts. But we'd have to wait and see. One way or another, we have to stop the run, and find more apropos 3-4 personnel.
Ray lewis wasnt good in the 3-4 cause the d-line wasnt good enough, get better players to play on the line and Vilma will return to be a dominant force.
sure. just like in the 4-3, in the 3-4, the DL takes up all the blockers, allowing the LBs to just roam free. In the 3-4, LBs don't have to take on blockers. They never have to rely on shedding technique, sheer size and power. Vilma is perfectly suited for that. Right.
Anthony Weaver, Maake Kemeatu and Kelly Gregg weren't big enough bodies and good enough players for Ray Lewis? Gregg and Kemeatu are possibly the best space eaters in the NFL. Weaver was such a good 2-gap end that the Texans have made him a defensive tackle most of the time. It's proven that small sideline to sideline roaming linebackers don't work out in the 3-4, and it's no secret. I'm not advocating trading Vilma, but its a given that he's going to need a lot of time to bulk up and adjust.
I wrote it off because you proposed trading a #1 for 2 #1's giving us 3 #1's. It just is not likely to ever happen that way. Does any team even have two #1 picks to trade next year?
i proposed trading vilma for a #1, and with our original #1, that gives us two. then i proposed the remote possibility of an additional trade for another #1. the three #1's scenario is unlikely, but i included it anyway. there are two other less radical scenarios as well that are included. the 3 #1s was just for fun. The point is essentially to convert J. Vilma into a pick in which we make a play for Gaines ADams or AP {neither of whom I really want up there anymore tho}. To make that move, we'd probably have to add an additional pick {a 2nd rounder} and/or more.. Our original first rounder is to be converted into Lamarr Woodley, who could replace Vilma at ILB or play OLB.
I'm not opposed to dealing Vilma if we're committed to the 3-4, and we can get more than a 1st round pick.
