With all the talk about quarterbacks there are questions abound. The reality is the Jets situation is not as bad as everyone thinks. While the record stunk, a slew of injuries didn't make things any better. I'd also like to note that an older, similarly talented Miami Dolphins team didn't do all that terrible last year. All that aside, I am going to outline why Brodie Croyle is the most sensible selection at quarterback. 1.Pennington- The Jets have Pennington locked up long-term. If they weren't interested in seeing if he could play, he probably would have been cut, as dead money and a bench player are essentially the same thing. Moreover, Patrick Ramsey is a one-year rental. If NEITHER WORKS OUT, WE WILL STILL be in a position to draft a quarterback next year, whether it be Brady McQuinn O'Shea or Drew Stanton. If Ramsey or Pennington is successful, a second round quarterback sitting on the bench is not likely to engender the bad blood that occurs when a first-round, big money qb is sitting on the bench. 2.Croyle has question marks, but so do the so-called "Big 3." Leinart? He had his elbow scoped last year and had his shoulder repaired in high school. Young? Very boom-bust, and how long before he develops into a guy who is worth the money? Cutler? What has he done? To me the only difference between Croyle and Cutler is body type and the underdog advantage that Cutler has, the whole "he only sucked because Vandy sucked" idea. He is a huge risk. Croyle, at the top of round 2, would be far less of a risk. 3.The knock on Croyle is that he's skinny and has had injuries. Since we have Ramsey and Pennington on roster, Croyle would have at least a year to work on the skinny thing. You think all those NBA teams that passed on Nenad Krstic and let him drop to 24 overall regret that they passed on "skinny?" Tom Brady was skinny. Croyle showed this year behind a horrendous offensive line and without his best receiver that while he may be skinny, he's very tough. Moreover, skinny hasn't prevented him from having an arm comparable or better than any of the big 3. 4.BEST OF THE REST- If our plan does not involve taking a quarterback in the top five, then Croyle is DEFINITELY the "best of the rest." Specifically, does Kellen Clemens remind anyone of the next Jay Fiedler? And Omar Jacobs is a nice player, but the throwing motion and nature of offense make him questionable. I can say personally that at first I was kind of skeptical of Croyle, but when you factor everything in, he seems like the logical pick. -X-
(nothing to do with your post, just my opinion) i like croyle but i just dont like the idea of taking a QB later in the draft. I tihnk the other guys are projected in the top 5 or 10 for a reason, reason being they are better. I would be fine with giving him a shot if we could get him with one of out 3rd or 4th rd picks but other wise i say we stick with what weve got for a year. Who knows, penny might suprise alot of people!!, and if not who knows, Ramsey might suprise alot of people!! lol
First of all, i believe its Brady Quinn, not McQuinn. Prob just a typo. Anyway, if your logic is we will be in position next year for a first-round Qb, permitiing Penny and Ramsey stink up the meadowlands, why draft Croyle. If your going to draft Croyle this year, and the jets stink, why take another qb in 2007 1st round? That would be a wasted high-second rounder, with Croyle
I love Brodie Croyle as a prospect. The problem with him is that you'll always need to have a great backup QB because Croyle will not finish every year. If Leinart's there at 4, I take him. Mainly because I think he's the total package. If he's not, take Davis or Williams or Brick, and grab Croyle at 35.
Well, I agree as it concerns Leinart. I am however, not particularly sold on either Young or Cutler. Young's greatest attribute is his ability to run, and at 4.57 you can count on him running into injuries. McNabb(injuries)Cunningham(injuries) McNair(always injured) Vick(injuries), Culpepper(injuries) etc. Running quarterbacks, particularly those who need time to develop, are rarely worth the investment because their development is slowed by injuries or worse, the aspect of their game that makes them superior in any way stands chance of being taken away. Then you have, in Young's case, a guy who can't run, can barely read, and has poor mechanics. I'm completely baffled by Cutler's rise. I feel like people are rooting for him because he went to Vanderbilt and he appears to be a tough guy, throwback. I think nothing illustrates my opinion of Cutler better than this article by DJ Gallo of Sportspickle and ESPN.com: Jay Cutler Rocketing Up the Charts of Likely Draft Busts Former Vanderbilt quarterback Jay Cutler has surpassed Matt Leinart and Vince Young as the top quarterback draft prospect in the eyes of many NFL scouts with an impressive performance at the NFL combine and, at the same time, has rocketed to the to top of the list of the most likely busts to come out of the 2006 draft. ?Jay is definitely this year?s example of one of those under-the-radar type of players who comes out of nowhere and suddenly becomes a trendy pick to go ahead of players long thought to be far superior prospects,? said a New England Patriots scout. ?Of course, 99 times out of 100 those players end up being total and complete busts, but there are those in this league intrigued by a chance to catch lightning in a bottle. And more power to them because that approach leaves the legitimate prospects on the table for the rest of us.? Cutler has wowed scouts at the NFL combine with his strength, speed, and jumping ability ? physical attributes that have overshadowed his 11-34 career record at Vanderbilt, including numerous losses to low-level programs, and his poor mechanics and history of questionable decision-making. ?I?m almost positive Cutler won?t pan out as a legitimate NFL starter,? said one NFL scout. ?But what if by some freak occurrence he does and we passed on him? That?s not a risk I?m willing to take.? Cutler admits he is somewhat uncomfortable with his sudden surge up the draft board. ?I?m a confident guy, but I know in my heart of hearts that I?m not capable of being an NFL star or even a decent starter,? he said. ?And I?m not sure I want to go down as a historic draft bust like a Ryan Leaf or Heath Shuler. It would be great to get the type of money that comes with being a Top 5 pick, but is all that worth being a punchline your whole life? I don?t think it is. That?s why I have half a mind to tell every NFL team: ?Look, I appreciate your interest in me, but honestly ? I?m not nearly as good as you?ve somehow let yourself believe I am. Just draft me late in the first round or in the second round and I?ll be a serviceable backup my entire career, I promise.? I just think that if I?m honest with everyone now, it might save me a lot of grief in the long run.? The article is humor, but Gallo is a genius, and he makes a lot of good points in between. I honestly don't see much of a gap between the two. -X-
I'm a huge Notre Dame fan and hardcore Irish. I know it's BRADY QUINN. I tend to get flowery and ridiculous, it's just a matter of sitting in a cubicle drawing up contracts all day. I honestly think their couldn't be a more convenient name for a Notre Dame quarterback than Brady Quinn, unless he's replaced by Eamon O'Brien. -X-
I like Cutler a lot, more than I like Young and more than I like Croyle, but unless he's there at 29, or slips into the 20s so we can trade up, I wouldn't take him.
Now that i think of it, McQuinn would be even a more harcorde irish name. Dude needs to be in a jet uni next year...Anywho, i believe Croyle's past injuries leave me a bit skeptical. At #35 we could snag a much safer pick than the Alabama QB, no?
yea, and if we dont need matt, im sure there will be teams on draft day that would trade us leinart for whoever they choose (we tell them who we want, kind of like the eli/rivers deal but not because we have a baby qb on our hands)
in the end, have to trust Mangini & Tannenbaum. doesn't matter what anyone on here thinks. it's not like mangini is trolling around this board looking for advice on who to take... i'd like us to take a QB somewhere in the 1st 2 rounds though...
Croyle has a bit if injury history. He is skinny. I wouldn't be opposed to taking him with a 3rd round pick if he is there.
Yknow, I kinda disagree with that. Last year Alex Smith went first overall, and this year theyre saying that he would have been the fourth quarterback off the board. So you take last years players, and Braylon Edwards and Ronnie Brown and such would probably still have been top five or ten picks, and Alex Smith would be bottom of round one probably. Basically what I think this shows is that the top quarterbacks get to the top of the draft and they stay there based mostly on hype and marketability. The gap between guys like Leinart and Young and a guy like Croyle isnt as big as the difference in their draft standing might suggest.
Actually I do not think that you are correct in sayinfg they are better. They have a higher rating but that is not a direct correlation to better player. The draft is basically gambling. At the top of the draft the pick costs more money. So with more money to lose you pick the player who has the lower odds of failure. NOT the higher odds of success, or the probability of being a pro-bowler. In gambling terms, you are looking for the even money bet in the early rounds. Leinart and Young and Cutler are rated higher and will be picked higher NOT because they are better players. NOR because they have a higher ceiling of potential. The reason is that they have perceived less on the negative side than the positive side. They are less of a risk, a safer bet. But also ones with potentially less return on investment. In terms of Croyle, here is a PLAYER that in QB skills is definitely the equal or superior of every other QB. He is a better player. On the negative side, he is undersized (though I don't think drantically so) and has had serious injuries in the past. These factors push Croyle lower in the draft. Now in the case of Leinart, he also has intangibles, which are bonus points over the typical pro/against sides. He is viewed as a "winner". For many this trumps most if not all of the negatives, the thought being that "winners" will continue winning at the next level of play. Whether or not I agree with this, it pushes Leinart higher up the board than he normally would or should be. If Leinart was exactly the same player as he is now, but played at Vandy and had Cutlers record, he would likely be rated no higher than Cutler is now, but most likely he would be below Cutler, Yound, and Croyle because his football skills are not the best. Position taken in the draft has almost nothing to do with football ability. It is about managing odds. So the higher players taken can not be said to definitely be better football players. -->(of course, many are but that is not the important thing to consider)
Its alright, pennington has reworked his motion and came up with this... It's the best he could do ok
