The Athletic: At some point, Justin Fields will have to throw the ball

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    https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/6558016/2025/08/17/justin-fields-jets-offense-passing-game/

    At some point, Justin Fields will have to throw the ball — it would be nice to see it this summer

    EAST RUTHERFORD, N.J. — The way the Jets have run their offense this summer — in preseason games and during training-camp practices — it would be fair to suggest they’re passing on passing.

    It’s not hard to see the vision: a running quarterback in Justin Fields, a trio of talented running backs, an offensive line that has thrived at run-blocking. Run it down your throat. Old-school, smashmouth football. On Saturday night against the Giants, during the second drive of their second preseason game, the Jets showed what they can look like when it’s working. There they were handing it off on a third-and-8, Braelon Allen bursting through a hole and gaining 11 yards for a first down. If you can get first downs running on third-and-long, why pass it? Then there was another run, and another, and another. Fields dropped back to pass it and had running back Breece Hall open in the flat, but instead opted to scramble up the middle for 5 more yards. And then came another run, and another, and one more.

    “Coach harps on showing our DNA and our brand of football,” Allen said. “When the offense takes the field, that’s the goal.”

    After 10 straight runs, Fields attempted a pass. The Jets were at the 20-yard line, third-and-2, when he tried a quick slant to Garrett Wilson — it fell incomplete (more the product of a good play on the ball by Giants corner Cor’Dale Flott than a bad throw, but still incomplete). The Jets settled for a field goal. The drive was an impressive show of the ground game, but this is the part of the season when the quarterback could use some practice, well, throwing the ball. At some point, Fields is going to have to do just that to win a regular-season game.

    For the second straight week — and that includes practices — Fields hasn’t thrown it very far past the line of scrimmage. He’s averaged 3.9 air yards per attempt on nine passes over two preseason games, and that number would probably look similar if anyone was tracking it during two joint practices against the Giants. It’s hard to remember the last time Fields threw the ball more than 20 yards in the air.

    Earlier in the week, coach Aaron Glenn was not thrilled at a line of questioning about how Fields’ throws have been almost exclusively in the short-to-intermediate areas — and often in the realm of dump-offs.

    “He’s progressing. He’s progressing,” Glenn said on Wednesday. “That’s what he’s doing, he’s being a quarterback. I know everybody wants to see the long ball, but he’s progressing. That’s the simplest I could answer that question.”

    The passes he threw on Saturday, the short ones, weren’t very good. His first throw was a short dump-off on a roll-out to Mason Taylor for 4 yards — the only passing yards he registered. On his second pass, edge rusher Kayvon Thibodeaux easily got by right tackle Armand Membou and as he was hitting Fields, the quarterback attempted a jump-pass; it sailed over Hall’s head.

    The third pass was a bad snap but there was not a defender in sight. Fields bounced a pass intended for Wilson on a screen. Wilson would have been tackled for a loss anyway — the blocking on the boundary was terrible — but it was a bad throw nonetheless.


    The fifth passing play came on that all-runs drive, when he opted to scramble rather than hit Hall in the flat. His final pass was the third-down incompletion intended for Wilson.

    Fields’ final tally against the Giants: 1-of-5 for 4 passing yards and one rush for 5 yards. The Jets eventually lost 31-12.

    Glenn was not keen on addressing Fields’ performance specifically, only saying after the game that “I don’t want to say the same things over and over again. The offense in general was not good enough.”

    Fields completed 3-of-4 passes for 42 yards against the Packers last week, yet still averaged only 5 air yards per attempt. Most of the yardage came after the catch, and 39 of them went to fullback Andrew Beck. Fields is not the only culprit when it comes to the lack of air yards — the Jets are still waiting for a wide receiver to emerge outside of Wilson, who will be the primary focus of opposing defenses all season.

    Fields admitted he stood on the sideline on Saturday and realized he hasn’t really thrown the ball downfield much lately. He said the Jets called one deep pass today, on the play where he scrambled up the middle.

    “I was thinking about that today,” Fields said. “It’s the defense taking it away … it’ll come. No need to force it. When you force it, that’s when tipped balls and picks happen. My mindset is always going to be take what the defense gives me.”
     
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    So far this summer, Fields has not inspired confidence that he’s a different quarterback than he was in Chicago and Pittsburgh — that is, an extremely athletic quarterback with good arm strength but limitations in terms of accuracy and processing. It’s only the preseason and far too early to panic, but it is fair to wonder how long the Jets can survive without a passing game that can threaten defenses. A quarterback who’s not willing to take shots down the field, in the preseason, is not someone who’s going to scare opposing defensive coordinators.

    Maybe this is all part of the Jets’ plan. Perhaps Fields not taking any shots isn’t his own choosing, but the design of what the coaches want him to do. If that’s true, it still doesn’t make much sense — the time to practice those moments, those throws, is now. There is only one preseason game left, and it’s unclear whether Fields will participate in that game. There are only two full practices left in training camp for the Jets, on Tuesday and Wednesday, the other days will be light walkthroughs.

    “We’re in a solid spot,” Fields said. “I’m always going to say we need to improve, we have room to improve. You guys can ask me how do I feel about this? How do I feel about that? It’s going to be the same answer every time. There’s room to grow in every aspect, the offense, myself, everyone.”

    Glenn echoed that sentiment about the passing game, saying: “Listen, it’s up and down. There’s been a lot of ups in camp I really like. Today was not one of those days, which was obvious, but I still have a lot of confidence in what those guys can do. Because they’ve shown it.”

    The season starts on Sept. 7 against a Steelers coaching staff that knows well what Fields can — and can’t — do. When Fields started for six games and went 4-2 to start last season, it was built around an offense mostly trying to limit the mistakes he could possibly make. Then, he was benched for Russell Wilson, a flawed, aging quarterback, but a quarterback willing to take deep shots.

    Coincidentally, Wilson was on the other sideline on Saturday. He completed one moon ball to Beaux Collins for 80 yards, setting up a touchdown. He also airmailed a pass later in the second quarter, easily picked off by Jets cornerback Qwan’tez Stiggers. The thing that mattered most about both throws: that he even tried to make them.

    It doesn’t make much sense to play scared in the preseason — scared to pass, at least. The Jets clearly aren’t afraid to run it every play if they have to. But they won’t win many games if they don’t counterbalance that with more than just a short passing game. Glenn insists that he’s not concerned.

    “Our passing game has to be better,” Glenn said. “We all know that — and it will be better. We have to go back to work. There’s going to be a lot of noise on the outside, and I get it. But our guys know we’re going to put our heads down and go back to work.”

    This is the time of the year to work through those lumps. But the Jets would be better served by Fields actually trying to make those plays rather than avoiding them altogether.
     
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    Pretty spot on assessment of the Justin Fields problem every team who employs him ends up having. Wins games with his legs, loses games because of his arm and eyes. It’s hard to tell what’s going on here but Engstrand seems bright. I wouldn’t be surprised if the lack of deep shots is by design because he knows Fields can’t do much more than run, dink and dunk. More time that Fields has to think = bad results.
     
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  4. Jets69

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    It won't take long for opposing defenses to learn to stack the box, like previously said, Fields will win a game or 2 with his legs, but lose many more, without a arm.
     
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    A pathetic Truth

    What you see is what you get

    Hope I’m wrong:/
     
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  6. coloradojet

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    How does Fields compare with Sanchez first two years? Fields had more TDs than INTs for his last three years. Sanchez had more INTs than TDs in his first two years. Fields also had a higher completion percentage and average per pass. His longest passes each year were in the 50s so he can complete the long pass.

    I see quite a few similarities between Rex first two seasons and the current team.
    Hall and Allen are very close to Thomas Jones and Shon Green . This team is built to run the ball first like the 2009/2010 teams. Add Fields running ability and a good run blocking from the OL and we could have a top five running attack.

    On defense we have a shutdown corner in Gardner just like Revis. This frees up a safety that can be used to blitz which AG seems to plan on doing. Rex used the blitz a lot with great success in his first two years.

    So Rex took the team in his first two years to the AFC championship game which we could have won both times if Strickland hadn’t gotten hurt against the Colts and the refs had called a fair game against the Steelers. How did he do it?

    He did it with a very bad passing game, the number one rushing attack and an elite defense. Hopefully the passing game this year will be average or not as bad as it was in 2009/2010. The current team is built in the same mold. We have a QB that is better than Sanchez and what could be an elite running game and defense. The later two remain to be seen. We just need to let AG work his plan which worked pretty well for Rex in his first two years.

    One thing I like about AG is that he seems to put a lot of stock on the running game. I think an elite running attack with a below average passing game is better than an elite passing game with a bad running attack. Why? Because with an elite running attack your defense is going to be rested in the fourth quarter while your opponent defense is going to be really tired.
     
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    Yes hope you’re wrong but I highly doubt it…this is who he has been for several years and two different teams, including g the team that drafted him high and was very quick to move on as soon as they had the chance.

    I think we are in for quite a few frustrating games…I was hoping we were past watching our team struggle to complete easy passes and move the ball…while other teams with better QBs always seemed to have a guy or two open….i feel like we are going back to the Zach days where completing a pass is a huge deal and we will struggle to put up like 170 yards passing per game…

    ugh…
     
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  8. Jonathan_Vilma

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    The bold is the most important part of the article. And a lot of times I blame this on the coaching staffs. I feel like it’s an epidemic around the league too.

    I’ve never understood why staffs around the league don’t allow the QB to identify cover 1 or cover 3 and check to a play action pass where both outside receivers run fly routes down the field (or send 3 down the field and make the lone safety make a decision) while telling the QB to let it rip.

    Not every QB has as flawless of a delivery or sense of arch like Wilson does, but it’s also ok if a guy like Fields flings it down the field and it falls incomplete or at worst gets picked off at punt yardage. It will loosen up the defense when we take shots and the chance at drawing a pass interference penalty down the field goes up every year in this league.

    It’s just mind boggling that the teams with shittier quarterbacks don’t try to steal yardage like this or loosen up defenses.
     
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    Agreed…

    Some of the play calling (nothing deep, most throws close to the line of scrimmage, etc.) may just be trying to keep it very vanilla in preseason games and not wanting to show too much, but I don’t know…I would think preseason meaningless games would be a good time to at least try out some more interesting passing plays…what is there to lose?

    I get the feeling that AG first wants to get the team bought in to this tough, run it down your throat type mentality, but we’ll see

    Like I’ve said, going into the year thinking we are going to just run the ball all day long and play defense is not going to win us a lot of games…but maybe AG is really just using this year to instill his mentality and personality in the team and not as worried about winning games, knowing he is going to need to draft a QB next year regardless…I don’t know

    But I do know that what I’ve seen from Fields in two preseason games, and what I’ve read of Fields from the practice reports, is not instilling any kind of confidence in our passing game…it just isn’t. Everything we’ve seen and read really just points to Fields being what he is….which is a bottom third QB.

    I’m hoping for better but I think that’s an empty hope not really based on his actual play on the field
     
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    Fields is better than Sanchez, but the Jets AFC championship teams were generationally good outside of the QB. Elite defense, elite run game, elite OL, and the special teams were very good too. The 2025 Jets are nowhere near that good.
     
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    I love the optimism but I think the passing game was pretty good back then. Holmes, Edwards, Cotchery and Dustin Keller is a damn good receiver room.
     
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    What did Woody the idiot do to sour Tannenbaum..easily our best GM in 15 years! He put it together for us
     
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    because you never want to be in a 3rd and 10 situation

    conversion percentage drops significantly from 3rd and 6 to 3rd and 10

    the chances of completing that pass is very low, which makes it more likely you get into a 3rd and 10
     
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    Devil’s advocate: if you have a bad QB like we do and you become a one dimensional team, you’re gonna be in 3rd and long just as easily.
     
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    But if he’s a bad QB then it’s even more likely that he is not going to complete a fly route deep down the sideline
     
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    Well here within lies the problem with bad QBs and no one knows it more than us.
     
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    3rd and 6 vs. 3rd and 10 does feel like a gulf now.

    But I remember watching Vinny and later Chad drop back on 3rd and 10 and feeling pretty damn good about it. Those memories are as fond as they are distant.
     
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    BrowningNagle Well-Known Member

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    for having a weak arm Pennington was a good deep ball thrower. Just goes to show how accuracy is important at every level
     
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    I feel bad for Garrett
     
  20. BroadwayAaron

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    Yes and no. He wanted to play with his buddy and now he is. Friendship blinders blocked out how much his buddy sucks.
     

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