After the draft, we still haven't signed or drafted a real pass rushing end or a hybrid type DE/LB to rush the QB. That still is a concern. However I understand completely the trade of John Abraham. -Abraham's attitude is not what the new CS wanted in the locker room. Abe has always been a "me first" guy versus a team guy - and the new regime wants those types gone. -I don't think Abe is or ever was smart enough to play in multiple schemes. When he was drafted by Parcells, the idea was to make him a hybrid type DE/LB. He was NEVER able to handle that...and was put at DE immediately because he could never handle the OLB responsibilities...and in Herm's defense he never had to. The guys we are signing and drafting are smart and tough with good attitudes. Abe would not have fit in. Add his contract demands and injury history, and I understand the deal. Can we come up with a pass rush through scheme and OLB's blitzing? I hope so? I like Barton from the edge...but no one else scares me. We might struggle getting pressure on the QB in 2006, but the trade is worth the growing pains IMO.
Hey for all we know this could be Thomas' "make or break" year. I'd like for him to prove all of us wrong....
This post is BS the guy wanted to be paid like 1 of the best pass rushers in the league which he is. For years none of his teammates or coaches EVER criticized him about being selfish or lacking effort stop this BS enough is enough. He couldn't go in that playoff game he was injured let it go.:shit:
Agreed. We are shifting to the 3-4. We have incresed the playability of our defensive backfield. We still may pick up a player between now and training camp.
the thing about players not being smart is getting out of control abe is expensive, injury prone and seems to have a bad attitude. between the lines, you would like the guy on your team
The trade was necessary, but only because of the bumbling way the FO handled this player. Yes, he was greedy (passing up the 15M contract that Ellis ultimately accepted) and selfish (sitting out the playoffs for his contract), but when the Jets promised to give him a new contract if he stayed healthy and productive for 16 games in 2005, they should've delivered. It's typical of the Edwards/Bradway/Johnson regime to fumble player relations. It's the reason Coles left in the first place. A simple phone call from Edwards would've soothed Coles delicate ego and prevented the slimeball from DC getting his hooks in him. And that misplay continues to hurt the Jets despite the return of Coles, because we lost Moss getting him back. The Jets of 2002 were strong because we had deep speed and strong possession receivers. Hopefully, Brad Smith can fill that deep threat void.
The doctors cleared him to play in the playoffs, he refused to play because he was potentially a FA at the end of the season and didn't want to jepardize a big contract with poor play or another injury. I'll never forgive him for that. He's a great player, no questioning that. It's his heart and commitment to the team and winning that I question. We had a shot at the championship that season, would he have made the difference? No one knows, but maybe it wouldn't have come down to a Doug Brien FG attempt if Abe was in there terrorizing a rookie Ben Rothlisberger the whole game. I wanted him off the Jets after he refused to play in the playoffs and was more than happy to see him go.
You never heard the complaints becuase you we had a coach that was an ex-player, and wanted to make sure everything was PC. Parcells called Terry Glenn a woman in part becuase of his dog attitude and whinning about injuries. Parcells knowns "you have to play hurt." I would have to think Parcells or Belichek would be a lot more critical of a player like Abraham, that had minor injuries and wouldn't play. I look at it this way...Pete Sampras would tape up his tweeked hamstring, throw up on the court from exhaustion and play without ever once complaining about it and he played TENNIS. I do not want an Abraham type player on my team....Bye BYe Johnny.
You guys got a steal in trading Abraham for a first rounder.... Abraham - An average at best, bad attitude / ego driven underachiever. The Falcons got screwed in that trade. The Falcons already have two better DE's than Abraham. Maybe they'll line him up as an OLB or something. Still, he's nothing special, and certainly not worthy of first round consideration....
I think you can argue it from both sides. I dont think it's fair to say that he hasn't been a real "team" guy, no one can really say that for sure. But I think we can say that there were a lot more guys who seemed to be more into the team than him during his time here. Chad, Mawae, Martin, Vilma. Those guys have all spoken out and been leaders. I'm not saying Abraham isn't one of those guys, but I think it's fair to say that he didn't do a great job showing it if he was. And obviously there are the character issues, car crash incident, etc etc. The guy hasn't made the best choices, so I can see where people see him as "not fitting the belichick/mangini mold." However, let's give the guy a break. He got screwed in New York. He was promised new contracts so many times and was never given any. The guy just wants to get paid, as well he should. Im sure he was frustrated and just wanted to go somewhere where he was wanted. I can't really blame the guy. If some other team wanted me and the team I was currently under contract had questions about me, I'd probably want out too. We'll miss his productivity, but look what we got for him. A new and younger offensive line. Maybe we dont have that great of a pass rush anymore. But I think a weak pass rush is the lesser of two demons when comparing that against a weak offensive line. Good trade, but let's not hammer the guy. I can't really blame him.
I just like that the Jets FO isn't overpaying for fringe stars, and that they are going to give Bryan Thomas a chance. Even though Thomas was a colossal bust under Herm, he HAS improved from year to year, and may be ready to assume his new role. The guy was drafted so high because of his insane athletic ability, and now he's had a few years to learn under NFL coaches. If he can put all of this together, he may be a sleeper as an OLB pass rusher. He may be exactly what the Jets need... but if he's not, well, then we know what our first round pick needs to be in next years draft, no damage done.
Shall I get you a crying towel?? Common.. the guy is a giant Maxi pad, a ONE DIMENSIONAL player, who is not as dominant as Dwight Freeney, also a one Dimensional player, so why does he "Deserve" to be paid like an Elite player. He's not, and lots of people in football obviously know that, and so did our F/O, which is why he's now a Falcon. Ellis
Absolutely right. Plus, he did this TWICE. Don't forget the Oakland playoff game two years before that.
Don't try and sell that to me. The guy was offered the opportunity to be paid like one of the premier DE's in the game, and he turned his nose up at it, demanding more. Face it, when you think of "premier" or "elite" defensive ends, Abe is not the one who jumps at you- rather guys like Strahan, etc, who aren't so one-dimensional. He's a greedy SOB who wore out his welcome in NY, and how our friends in ATL will have a taste of Abe, who might seem OK first but will surely, at some point, leave a bitter taste in their mouths. I'll take Mangold over Abe any day of the week...
You guys should just be thankful the Falcons were stupid enough to trade a 1st rounder for him. You buried them in that trade....
Now that's the funniest thing I've heard anyone ever call JAbe!! Take a bow Ellis!! :lol: It WAS time for Abe to go however and the Jets were damn lucky to have gotten anything out of this. We were not dealing from a position of strength here and although we could have stood our ground and made Abe play another year, he would have become the Jets' equvialent to TO in the lockerroom and this new regime really don't need that BS.
Forget abe , he's gone and we should be happy. The last time we came close to a championship was '98 and we had some tough players. We are trying to get TOUGH ,smart players. Nice avatar,Geshjet!
