Lost in all of this bad officiating talk is how bad this defense SUCKS. I don't care how good Pennington can play. How well Leon Washington run. How great Miller returns kickoffs. This defense couldn't stop Syracuse University. Watch the d-line just get plowed over again and again. No one can break away from blocks. Vilma is out of position. Hobson is slow. Ellis is average without Abe on the other side. Miller couldn't cover Stevie Wonder. Did anyone see D-Rob get knocked down like a 5 year old child on the goal line? Why would you pass if your the opponent? I don't remember seeing a Jet defense play this bad ever. And that covers a lot of bad years of football. Please don't tell how good they looked in the 4th quarter when Cleveland basically played conservative "Marty Ball" to avoid a loss.
It really is a joke watching our defense. Then you sit there and watch the Giants defense put pressure on the quarterbacl almost every down makes me sick.
Statistically this is the worst Jet's defense ever. Ever. But if you look beneath the statistics they're worse than that. They've played 4 of the worst offenses in the NFL in Buffalo, Tennessee, Miami and Cleveland on the way to that 30th in points and 32nd in yards standing. Detroit and Jacksonville are the best offenses they have played and neither of those teams is above the midlevel mark on offense. This is just a terrible defensive team.
I was going to start a thread on this, but I was only able to put together one sentence so I decided to pull it. Our defense sucks and I can't remember when the Jets defense was ever good.
If we can do what we did in the 4th quarter we will be fine. We need to put together a gameplan which features us doing THAT all game long. But so far this is the worst Jet defense I've ever seen... Worse than 2003. We seriously had no passrush at all before the 4th quarter.
New England has a pretty good offense I would say. You will see that tonight. Somebody already mentioned Indianapolis, which is clearly the best offense the Jets have faced.
It's pretty bad. Reminds me of '03 but at least then you had a healthy Abraham for the first 7 games. I'm sure mostly everybody here remembers the Oakland game in 2003 when the Raiders won the toss and scored a TD on a drive that featured 20 straight running plays. That personally is my worst memory of a Jets defense......The 2006 version has absolutely no pass rush at all. That has got to be addresed with the first couple of picks next year......
Desipite our defensive problems this defense is still the most talented unit we have had since 2001, when Parcell's overspending forced the FO to dismantle the defense. The 2002 and 2003 defenses were possibly the worst defenses, talent wise, to have played in the NFL in some time, with 6 starters that would have had a hard time making an NFL roster and really who should not have been playing in the NFL. What sets this years defense apart is not the talent which is good, its that the talent does not fit the system, the lack of emotion and hustle, poor coaching and the inability to tackle. The defense we have put on the field the last 4 years may not have been as talented as this years defense but they made up for their lack of talent by playing with a lot of emotion, fire and hustle. Something that seems to be missing in large quantities from this years team.
Our defense just STINKS ... PERIOD. Vilma is a playmaker but he is NOT a 3-4 LB period. he's getting blown up by the OL they are in his chest the whole time and DRob ... OH MY ... his play is comical. Ellis is not average, I dont care how good you are if you dont have support your NOT gonna make things happen. DRob relies too often on his quickness and his technique sucks he's NOT a 2 gap tackle he's a one gap, he lost that weight and his play is NOT any better. Its a SHAME that the worse offenses are having such BIG days against our D and its sad to see Vilma being pushed around like a rag doll making tackles 5 - 6 yards down the field. Our SACK leader is a DB...What the hell?!?!?!
There is no way that the FO/Coaching staff envisioned the defense better than middle of the pack due to personnel issues. However, you can't blame it entirely on the front 3. The purpose of the 3-4 is to send a 4th rusher almost every time from a different spot. The Jets are doing that...why? The defensive secondary. With Barrett out and Dyson ailing/out, the Jets are left with Miller and rookie Drew Coleman...neither of which should start in the NFL. Add in Erik Coleman and you are looking at defensive backfield where 3 out of 4 starting players probably don't start for any other team in the league. Meanwhile Kerry Rhodes is doing the best he can. Because the secondary is so atrocious, Sutton is dropping all the LBs into coverage. (He said as much in the recent artilce on Bryan Thomas). So, it really comes down to a chicken and egg scenario... Do you blitz (rush 3 or 4) or do you expose the secondary? Does the lack of the pass rush make the secondary look bad or does the state of the secondary preclude a pass rush because all the backers are in coverage? Outside of Barton, Rhodes and Thomas (and maybe Ellis), no other player has been effective in this system. D-rob is doing the best he can, but he just too small and can't take up two gaps. Mangini/Sutton/Tannenbaum effectively agreed to take a knee for the season by putting in a 3-4 when it is clear to someone even like me that they didn't have the right players. The only way that this defense can improve this year is by the return of Barrett and Dyson to the field and Coleman and Miller to the bench.
Amazingly, this team is 4-4. The run defense is shit, but right behind is the lack of pass-rush. The rush defense is the most glaring weak point no doubt; DRob is below-average, and for one of the highest payed defenders in football, that sucks, Kimo von Oelhoffen is running on empty, cap casualty this offseason and he's old, Ellis is quiet, he's just way too quiet on gameday, he says all the right things before a game, but when it comes to kickoff, he disappears. The pass-rush is arguably worse than the run defense, not saying it is, but someone could argue it. The 3-man rush is a total joke, the sad thing is the Jets do it consistently! And even when they blitz, at least 70% of the time it gets picked up as if it's a 4 man rush! So disgusting watching this defense play, very sad.
exactly. what's the point of rushing 3, if your coverage gives up the 1st down anyway? and, like you said, even when we blitz, we send 4 or 5, which just isn't getting to the QB. i think there needs to be: 1. more creative blitz packages 2. send all different players, especially Vilma, who can use his speed 3. get rid of Sutton maybe #3 is going too far, but i just don't like the way he's running the D. maybe even Mangini needs to intervene and become more active in the D playcalling/scheme. cheers