With the news that the Jets are going to have their GM in place tomorrow and the fact that I have not been called back for a 2nd interview, here's what my plan would be so Woody can see what he'd be getting as of today: Cut/Don't Resign/Let Get Overpaid by Buffalo DT Mike Devito LB Bart Scott LB Bryan Thomas OG Matt Slausson TE Dustin Keller RB Shonne Greene FS Laron Landry FB Lex Hilliard FS Eric Smith Bring back on short term deals WR Braylon Edwards OG Brandon Moore OT Austin Howard SS Yeremiah Bell TE Jeff Cumberland PK Nick Folk Free Agent signings: QB Matt Moore RB Chris Ivory FB Darrell Young TE Anthony Fasano OL Geoff Schwartz (backup in Minn, I think he has the potential to be an above average starter) DT/DE Fili Moala LB Gary Guyton (good cover LB) LB Anthony Spencer (Dallas is switching to a 4-3, isn't a spectacular athlete but would be a solid addition) Draft 1.9) Jarvis Jones, OLB, Georgia. Would be a lock to go top 5 if it wasn't for his medical concerns. Could be wishful thinking he's still around or it could wind up looking foolish he was even considered this early in the not too distant future. 2.9) Barrett Jones, OL, Alabama. Seasoned player would be able to immediately come in and start without missing a beat. His Lisfranc injury and lack of eye popping athleticism will keep him around to the 2nd round. 3.9) Brandon Jenkins, OLB, Florida St. Doubling up at pass rusher. Has medical concerns of his own and if he shows he's healthy might go higher than this. If he's available he's got a ton of upside at this point. 4.9) Gavin Escobar, TE, San Diego St. One of my favorite small school prospects. Great size and athleticism. 5.9) Terry Hawthorne, CB, Illinois. Talented with good size. Can't have enough DB depth. 6.9) Kerwynn Williams, RB, Utah St. Call me crazy but I still think the best is yet to come with McKnight. But Williams is a small RB but has great home run ability. 7.9) Corey Fuller, WR, Va Tech. One thing you know about Beamer's boys are they can contribute on special teams. Depth Chart QB: Matt Moore, Mark Sanchez, Greg McElroy RB: Bilal Powell, Chris Ivory, Joe McKnight, Kerwyn Williams FB: Darrell Young WR: Santonio Holmes, Braylon Edwards, Jeremy Kerly, Stephen Hill, Corey Fuller TE: Anthony Fasano, Jeff Cumberland, Gavin Escobar OT: D'Brickashaw Ferguson, Geoff Schwartz, Austin Howard OG: Barrett Jones, Brandon Moore, Vlad Ducasse OC: Nick Mangold DE: Quinton Copes, Muhommed Wilkerson, Fili Moala DT: Sione Pouha, Kenrick Ellis, Damon Harrison OLB: Anthony Spencer, Jarvis Jones, Brandon Jenkins, Garrett McIntyre ILB: David Harris, Demorrio Davis, Gary Guyton CB: Darrell Revis, Antonio Cromartie, Kyle Wilson, Terry Hawthorne S: Yeremiah Bell, Antonio Allen, Josh Bush Might be a little light at safety and on the defensive line and could use another interior offensive lineman to never be active but you get the jist of it.
Haha, at this point with so many candidates turning down the job you probably have as good a shot as anyone. Mock looks goo
Love this draft but i think Anthony Spencer is way out of our price range I would like to see Moore come in instead of trading for a Flynn/Smith I do think we should bring back Devito that would help the DLIne depth
So who plays FS for the Jets? Antonio Allen and Josh Bush? That's pretty scary. Hope to get a safety somewhere early in the draft.
This mock is very similar to mine, so naturally I'm a big fan. I want Avril or Spencer to come to the Jets and us to take Jarvis Jones (Dion Jordan if he isn't there as an necessary "reach", but similar to Irvin draft slot) with our 1st. IF we do that, we can't take an OLB in the 3rd -- we need the pick elsewhere badly then a 3rd 3-4 OLB. My mock was: 1) Jarvis Jones, OLB, UGA 2) DJ Fluker, OT, Bama (hoping since he's RT only he will fall to top of 2nd) 3) Tank Carradine, OLB, FSU (I believe he's the better prospect of the two, and has better potential as a 3-4 strongside OLB -- Jones and Jordan, and Jenkins for that matter, would all be weakside pass rushers. This is also without Avril or Spencer coming to town). If we get Spencer (which maxes out our cap btw so we can't afford Ivory who you are undervaluing), then we need to take a safety in the 3rd. Rambo from UGA is likely to be available, maybe even TJ McDonald pending his combine/pro day. One of those and we're good. In the 4th I have a TE as well, except a different one: Dion Sims from MSU. I believe the late 3rd-high 4th is his range due to poor stats this year on a bad offense, but if he does very well at the combine he could rise to the 2nd/early 3rd range. He is a faster Pettigrew, just those kind of TEs aren't all the hype right now as everyone is looking for a Jordan Reed type. He would be a good safety valve, but a blocking asset in the run game and a good red zone target. I don't know much about Escobar, but I doubt what we need at TE right now is another project. We have the rugby player to continue to develop, and can afford a project on offense once we have a viable long term QB and our other needs settled imho. But I like the idea on the whole. I think because Rex and Sanchez are out of town after this next season, the "safest" picks (really the best ones) are defense and offensive line and tight end. Offensive skill player fit will depend on the scheme, and we'll definitely only be renting our 2013 offensive scheme until we get a new coach and new coordinators and a new long term QB. Thus, a WR doesn't make much sense as a pick. A RB does, but for that reason I think Lattimore is a good fit for us since he can redshirt this year and come in next year with our new QB and coaches. My home run back is Chris Thompson from FSU, who from what I've heard from FSU fans looked like Warrick Dunn until getting hurt this year. Realistically Tank Carradine moves a little up boards, and I'd be willing to go 1) Jarvis Jones, weakside 3-4 OLB, UGA 2) Tank Carradine, strongside 3-4 OLB, FSU 3) Larry Warford, OG, Kentucky I think Warford can be a great NFL OG, and will likely be available in the late 2nd/early 3rd. Interior line prospects fall, and I think Warford slips a little. Just a hunch. I also hope I'm wrong about Carradine and people sour on taking a redshirt player so high and he falls to our 3rd or even 4th by draft day.
Always liked Ivory as a RB. Love the way he runs and won't be as expensive as a guy like Mendenhall (who I've always been a big fan of). Not loving the Anthony Spencer move. Never had double digit sacks until a contract year despite seeing a lot of one on one matchups as he played opposite of Demarcus Ware. Typical pass rusher who will be overpaid for one good year cough CALVIN PACE cough. Hopefully we draft a young pass rusher (like you laid out) and then I'd be interested in taking a one or two year flier on some bounce back guys/older veterans on the DL like the Patriots often do (Mark Anderson, Andre Carter). Some guys I could see having success with the Jets are Ray Edwards, Richard Seymour, SenDerrick Marks, Sedrick Ellis, Arthur Jones, Sergio Kindle. If we lose Landry, we're going to need more than Bell-Allen-Bush. I like Allen but I think his ceiling is a 3rd safety/hybrid LB - a better and faster version of Eric Smith, not a great starting FS. I've seen a ton of New England games over the years due to family/friends and Gary Guyton is horrible in coverage. Don't let the measurables and straight line speed fool you. The guy can't play the run and can't cover either. He was terrible for the Pats in coverage. I really like the WR corps of Holmes, Edwards, Hill, Kerley. If a guy like Robert Woods or DaRick Rodgers slipped through to the late 2nd or early 3rd, I'd love to pick a guy like that up, but I don't think WR is as massive of a need as some in the media do. The problem is our QB. Like Matt Moore as a backup but don't think he can win for you in the NFL. I can't believe I'm saying this but the only guy out there I really like is potentially Mike Vick (and I've never been a Mike Vick guy). I just think he's the only explosive difference maker out there, and if you give him a decent line which the Jets have, he won't take the pounding he took in Philly this year where he was always hurt. And he can actually get the ball to his WR's so guys like Holmes and Edwards won't be dejected from being wide open and having Sanchez sail the ball 10 yards over their head. I'm just not interested in guys who should be back ups like Moore, Flynn, Smith, and Matt Cassel. Everyone loves Alex Smith's TD:INT ratio and QB rating the last few years, but do they realize the guy has averaged under 200 yards per game in both years? The guy barely threw for 3000 yards in 2011. Harbaugh basically took the ball out of Smith's hands and won with defense and running the ball. In an age where the top QBs are throwing for 4000 to 5000 yards, to have a guy that can barely get 3000 for you just isn't going to get it done, even if he takes care of the ball and manages the game. There's a reason why Harbaugh stuck with Kapernick even after going to the NFC Championship with Smith and having a winning record this year with him. He realized he needed more of a difference maker at QB, something Kapernick has certainly shown he is capable of doing. If Smith plays vs Green Bay last weekend, I don't think the 49ers score enough points to beat the Packers
Devito, Thomas, Keller, Moore, Greene, Slauson, Landry and Hilliard are all free agents..no cutting necessary and no money to be saved.
At this point, the coaching staff should really consider moving KW over to free safety. I know it's been debated on the TGG before, but his skill set seems to fit better there than at CB.
^Yes, Kyle Wilson to safety is a move that I've wanted the Jets to do for some time now. He's better when facing the QB rather than being on the line and running back. To the OP, I think that we should resign Clyde Gates instead of drafting another WR and take a flyer on Lattimore if there of course. Overall I like the draft, but I wouldn't overpay for Spencer, he said that he wants D-Ware money. Also, how about picking up Stevie Brown from the Giants, if they let him walk of course.
lol you got my vote for GM. Really liked a lot of this. Agree on letting most of our FA's walk u listed. Devito is only one i would try to reasonably re-sign. We need to retain some character. Would love Landry too, but not realistic to afford him. I like the re-signing of Brandon Moore, Braylon, and Bell. Really love idea of getting Matt Moore and Fasano. 2 of our biggest holes on offense. Spencer could be nice, but prob not worth the cost. Draft has OL, LB and TE picks, which are all top priorities. Like addition of shifty RB. Believe me, you've seen all you will see from McKnight. I'm not even sure he's worth retaining for ST any longer. Overall i really like. I'd like to retain Devito, and bring in more journeyman depth at S and OLB, but i'd see an offseason like this as major first step.
Which is why it says "Cut/Don't Resign/Let Get Overpaid by Buffalo". It's not really that hard to figure out is it? TCGF, Not a huge fan of drafting Jarvis Jones until after we hear more about him at the combine. The rest of your draft looks by good. Love that you include some depth for CB late because this will become an issue in a year or two when one of Revis or Wilson is gone. Jenkins is mocked to us in the third everywhere which leaves me with the sinking feeling he will be gone by then. Not sure the money will be there for a guy like spencer. He is a good vet and even good ones get paid. We do not have the room to do much but bring in low level guys this year with as many players we will need. I like it overall. Good attempt to get things in the right direction for next year. 2013 is looking like it could be a very long season.
You think Kyle Wilson is big/strong enough and good enough of a tackler to play safety? I'm not sure about that. He's listed at 5'10 so he's likely more around 5'9, has never been a strong tackler, and doesn't seem like he reads QB's well and makes plays on the ball. He almost never jumps routes. If you're going to be small at FS, you have to make up for it in some other way. Earl Thomas makes up for it with great ball hawking ability, Jim Leonhard made up for it with football smarts, intangibles, high motor, and great tackling for a small guy. I just don't think Wilson really possesses any of this. He's not a ball hawk, not a good tackler (he misses way too many tackles and just throws a shoulder at guys rather than wrap people up), and he doesn't seem like the cerebral type of safety that can set the defensive secondary like Leonhard did.
TCGF: I think you're over-estimating the amount of money the Jets have in free agency. I don't think they have more than a few signings in them before June and I don't think they're going to be able to swing either Moore. I just don't see the Jets as being able to do much before the draft even if they trade Antonio Cromartie to give them 50% more cap space.
Thanks for all the responses. Still no call from Woody but until they actually announce Idzik I'm holding out hope. In no order of what everyone has said: - Had no idea Spencer was looking for D-Ware money. That right there is a non-starter and would take him out of the running. - I can't see any of the other free agents, including Brandon Moore getting that much on the open market but I could be way off. - I think Mike Devito is going to get a decent pay day and while I like him I don't think he's enough of a difference maker to warrant what little cap room we'll have. - I'm comfortable with letting some of the younger guys start at safety. It seems to be a position where you can pick up vets late for one year deals so if they really weren't cutting it someone will be available. - I don't view Matt Moore as a long term starter but in a perfect world he's a Jon Kitna type where he starts for a year or two before we get a franchise QB.
1. Seeing this year as the possible spike year, (or at worst, tanking year) I fail to see the point in wasting salary cap on Matt Moore. It is not like he will solidify the QB position either. We don't even have GM yet, and we don't know what kind of offense will come in. We'd have to see for a while, but I don't think whoever is out there is that much better than Nacho as of now. 2. Unless Jets move some of the albatross contracts, (I'd prefer trading Cro or Revis instead of restructuring the contracts) Jets are stuck with some 10-15M to sign a few starters AND rookie draft class. If they all tag along at vet min, sign me up. I will bet hell freezes over before that happens. 3. Some of the FA signings make no sense. Is Fasano tagging along at vet min too? I doubt that. Spencer is looking for some stupid money. Fuck that idiot.
I totally disagree with your take at QB. Going into next season with Sanchez as incumbent starter, with no real competition or backup plan, would be worst possible scenario for the Jets. They absolutely have to bring in a guy like Moore. I'd love to get Fasano in, but you might be right in terms of affordability. Most of the re-signs listed would be around 1mil offers. Couple guys on that list maybe slightly higher. They would all be good to have back, but have to be willing to let some walk if they get better offers. We'll see how the cap shakes out, and how the GM can free up a couple extra bucks to put towards some cheaper re-signs, and towards real competition at QB. won't be easy, that's for sure.
TE, RT, RG, LG, LOLB, ROLB, SS, FS is more than a few starters and that is not the actual list of this year's starters that will not be starting next year based on how it looks right now. That list is QB, TE, RB, RT, LG, RG, DE, NT, LOLB, ROLB, LILB, SS, FS.
Theoretically the Jets have options already under contract to fill some of those positions. Ducasse will most likely start at one of the G positions and Davis is almost assuredly starting at LILB next year. Cumberland might be the starter at TE and Powell might be the starting RB. McIntyre at OLB and Ellis at NT are also possiblities. One of the two safeties they drafted last year or KW could fill a starting role. QB, well, there is a guy making starter money at the position. I am not saying that these players are quality players, just pointing out the fact that thee are guys currently on the roster who could fill some of those holes.
