Stop the Ulbrich love

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  1. NJJets

    NJJets Well-Known Member

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    This page was tagged by Google as "dangerous or derogatory content." This post is one of two on this page that might fit that description. Hence, I have no choice but to remove it. Sorry.
     
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    Mogriffjr Well-Known Member

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    you’re wrong and emotional so go and take a sip of coffee. He may very well get HC looks as well. Also look at what the defense has done to the best QB’s in the league. Bad day yesterday but let’s not forget the total body of work. And he should get praise for that.
     
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    Mogriffjr Well-Known Member

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    Congrats on saying a defense is good because it has good players LOL. Hey any team that is good has good players.

    If analysts say that Ulbrich may get HC calls then he’s doing something right in the eyes around the league, so again there’s something youre not seeing.

    His first year was bad but again the talent was lacking. Let’s check how QB’s have done this year…this defense is GOOD. And it really doesn’t need to have Sauce follow when Reed is just as good, that’s just how this defense is built. It’s made CJ stay on top of his game, made Quincy a top LB. Guys on the DLine are all either good or very good down there. What are you saying? Stop being emotional on a Monday morning.
     
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    REVISion Well-Known Member

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    Ulbrich is ok, but there's pretty much no question that Saleh's defenses only really work when they're stacked with talent. We have evidence of that from both SF and here. Having to stack that much talent on D absolutely kills your offense unless you have someone like Kyle Shanahan at HC or an elite QB.
     
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    I’m not Monday morning emotional, stop making assumptions. I’m pointing out the fact that Ulbrich is Saleh. They’re interchangeable. As is the SF defense and the Texans D that Demeco Ryans is running and we ironically had our only real offensive success against. There are defensive schemes that rely on intelligence, there are defensive schemes that rely on players talent, and there’s ones that fall in the middle. We fully rely on player talent. There is no scheme to the opponent. They don’t change anything about the D week to week. The opposing QB’s know exactly what’s coming, it’s just a matter of whether they have the talent themselves to overcome it. It requires massive resources at the expense of the offense because it needs great players to succeed, and it needs a lot of DL talent to handle the rotation to keep them fresh. We need a defensive mind that can take average talent and make it work via the intelligence of putting players in position to succeed vs needing all world players everywhere. Ulbrich is not that guy.
     
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    haha--ya--those guys announcing the miami game have no idea about what Ulbrich is. He would be an awful DC hire by any team and a head coach? No one is that stupid.
     
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    Geez--you would think jets fans would all be agreement that Ulbrich is merely a Saleh mouthpiece---I'm amazed at some people perceptions (Zach is good; Ulbrich is smart).
     
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    Don’t hold back, tell us how you really feel.
     
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    Ulbrich is still a meat head.
     
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    But I love him.
     
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    Seattle as well. Their defense was great when they had one of the best secondaries of all time, a Hall of Fame middle linebacker and unmatched home field advantage. The defense with that 4-3 cover 3 has been mediocre at best since that roster fell apart up there.

    Ulbrich’s fine. There’s more to coaching than scheme and all though. Coaching players into running the scheme matters.

    The lack of putting Sauce in position to try to be a playmaking difference maker is frustrating though. They’ve been very inflexible with him.
     
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    Acad23 Well-Known Member

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    Are there people suggesting Ulbrich for head coach?
    I must have missed that.

    I could see him as an interim HC to close out the season...;)
     
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    The_Darksider Well-Known Member

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    I try to stay out of debates like this because i've never played football past the sandlot level and don't know anything substantial about Xs and Os. Some of the guys here are like savants. HOWEVER, I will answer based on my impressions:

    First the bad about the defense:
    - it doesn't get off the field often enough on big 3rd downs
    - it doesn't turn the other team over nearly enough
    - there are a lot of vulnerabilities that result in "bend don't break" yardage that puts the putrid offense in tough field position

    The good: most of the above is nitpicking because the defense has done a great job overall and with any type of offense would have this team in playoff contention. A good portion of it is also the defense being tired, and none of us knows the impact of the bad morale with an offense as putrid as what we run out. And it isn't a fluke that it's made every top QB look ordinary for the most part.

    But my one final argument, and this is where I finally say something about Ulbrich while admitting I am ignorant about coverages and such: the whole insistence on not traveling Sauce befuddles me. I understand on an intellectual level that pulling a thread can unravel the entire sweater, but at the point where it's clearly hurting "AT TIMES", why not adjust at those times???? I honestly don't get the whole stubbornness to do something to help win a game. This franchise has spent the entire year intentionally doing nothing to help win if the original plan didn't work - whether on a game level or longer.

    How much of this is Ulbrich, I don't know. So for me, the jury is out on him.
     
  15. Borat

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    Interesting point. If you recall without talent Saleh/Ulbrich were ranked #32 in the first year. Basically it appears they are performing at the level of their talent defensively. Which is not a bad thing. But also doesn't mean they are amazing defensive minds either - that #32 is on their record too. The key is to find a great offensive mind for offense as a HC, so you don't lose it like you can lose an OC. I think it is way easier to get a DC that will perform on par with the talent the defense has.
     
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    So is our offense bad because of players and not the coaches using that logic?

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    Absolutely A-fucking-men to every word of this.

    I hope some stupid team gives him a head-coaching job next year… I just hope it isn’t our stupid team.
     
  18. NJJets

    NJJets Well-Known Member

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    If our offense is designed to succeed only when stacked with elite talent, yes.
     

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