Stop Blaming Rex for Sanchez's ineptitude.

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  1. Organized Chaos

    Organized Chaos Well-Known Member

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    Rex Ryan was 32-19 as a head coach, and the Jets were 8-5 heading into the last three games of 2011. Mark Sanchez was supposedly hurt playing at the end of 2011, and he shit the bed over the last 3 games, committing 7 turnovers.

    Here we are in 2012, and Rex, without his best offensive and defensive weapons put up a shitty 6-10 season. But how would any coach win with the way Sanchez performed?

    Mark has 33 turnovers in his last 19 games, in which the Jets are 6-13.

    While we can be critical of Rex for not pulling the plug on Sanchez earlier, or for pushing Tanny to pick Sanchez, it's silly to say he's no good as a head coach and I've seen plenty of people saying or implying that.

    When he was given an average to above average team, he pushed them deep into the playoffs. Not every season can be 2009 or 2010, and this past season was particularly bad on the injury/lack of talent front. I get that people are critical of Rex's evaluation of talent, but lets not lose sight of the fact that he can coach and there have been great coaches before who were not great talent evaluators (Parcells).
     
  2. Bellows1

    Bellows1 Well-Known Member

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    Anyone who is that good at what they do, wouldn't need as many people defending them as there is.
     
  3. DMarsh6

    DMarsh6 Active Member

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    That isn't true at all.

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  4. The Dark Knight

    The Dark Knight Well-Known Member

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    Use your eyes. You don't have to even look at stats. Look how the team played. That is on Rex.
     
  5. Organized Chaos

    Organized Chaos Well-Known Member

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    Do you think they played up to their talent level? To me, a big indication of a failing coach is one who cant win with talented players. Rex often can get mediocre players to overperform. It doesnt always work, but look at cro this season.
     
  6. CurbYourEnthusiasm

    CurbYourEnthusiasm Well-Known Member

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    Funny, I thought the defense played pretty well. I never saw anyone quit, even when they were mathematically eliminated from the playoffs.
     
  7. jetzfan

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    The fact he didn't pull him earlier is on Rex,,,Sanchez' performance is on Mark himself.
     
  8. CBG

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    I can go into many things but I will simplify------did you watch the last 3 games this year ? Did you see those other INEPT losing teams spank us ?
     
  9. JetsNation06

    JetsNation06 Well-Known Member

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    Rex is the leader of the team. It doesn't matter if the shortcomings were on offense, defense or ST. The buck stops with him and he has final accountability for the entire team's play on the field. There's no way Rex gets a pass on that.
     
  10. CurbYourEnthusiasm

    CurbYourEnthusiasm Well-Known Member

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    This is true. He is responsible for his team's play. But what if the talent you're working with is utter garbage? Some would venture to say we overachieved with 6 wins given our talent level.

    No one on the Jets ever quit and he didn't lose the locker room this season.
     
  11. JetsNation06

    JetsNation06 Well-Known Member

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    The lack of talent is definitely an issue too. And Sanchez needs to be held accountable for that I agree. Moving forward, now that Rex knows that Sanchez was utter garbage this year (which we all know he was) it's important that he, along with the new GM, address the QB position this offseason. This will help show us that Rex has learned from his mistakes(as he said yesterday) and understands that the QB position needs to be upgraded. I will give Rex and the new GM props for this just as I would place much of the blame on them if they don't do anything to upgrade the position this offseason.
     
  12. displacedfan

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    I think we over achieved considering the poor offensive performance. Unfortunately Rex as head coach, his duty also counts offensively so that should be a negative. It would be much more disconcerting if the D with that talent underperformed. You could say the offense except for Sanchez played up to the talent level and Sanchez underperformed.
     
  13. buddapaw

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    He needs to take the blame, I look at this from a management perspective. You have three business units but you only pay attention to two and then left wondering why the third is failing. Rex had no desire to manage the offense, hence it is in the state it is in today. You'll can rag on Sanchez as much as you want but Rex had a major role in his demise and regression. If you want one guy who deserves to be maligned it is Rex Ryan however, it seems he has a lucky rabbit foot stuck up his four leaf clover tattooed ass.
     
  14. dr.velociraptor

    dr.velociraptor Tired of BS

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    I only criticize Rex for having a 50 year old man in 2011 and Tebow in 2012 leaving us with no legitimate backup for when Sanchez inevitably started tanking.

    With the roster we had sadly Sanchez was our best chance to win, not a good chance but the best available (and still is as of now, Tebow is terrible and gone and McElroy was a damn joke).
     
  15. #1 Jets Fan

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    What I saw was what we saw all year long. The offense sucked and D kept us in just about every game.
     
  16. #1 Jets Fan

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    I'm not saying McElroy is going to be a good QB but to judge him by his one and only start is what is a "damn joke".
     
  17. The Dark Knight

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    The team was all messed up. That is on the Head Coach. He hired Sparano, he stayed with Sanchez, etc. Sure, the roster was weak on offense, but it was down right terrible and not just Sanchez. Rex's defense was okay, but probably the worst it has been the 4 years he was here. You can blame it on Revis, but the Pass D was still great.
     
  18. deathstar

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    There was a bunch of crappy talent on the team (especially on offense)...That's not on Rex...That's on the failed GM who brought the garbage in.

    Keeping Sanchez as the starter for too long was on Rex.

    Sanchez's garbage play was on the combination of a bad talent (GM), bad system (OC), and his piss poor play (himself), mainly the 3rd one...
     
  19. dr.velociraptor

    dr.velociraptor Tired of BS

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    1. 7th round pick
    2. every scouting report has him as maybe a competent backup but probably doesn't have the skills to make it in the nfl, he simply lacks the physical toolset
    3. I saw enough during his start to never want to see him ever start another game for the Jets, 11 sacks, guy sacked himself at least 6 times, he was a complete mess out there.
    4. As a backup you have a very small window to prove yourself, unfortunately for McElroy a 6 quarter showcase is probably all he'll ever get. he isn't a #1 pick in the draft where teams will sink two seasons breaking him into the league, he's a throw away pick, be honest...

    combine all those scenarios and I would prefer to have Sanchez out there, I would prefer none of them and Drew Brees but that isn't happening.
     
  20. cval

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    The question is did Ryan play the hand he was dealt or was he the issue with the offense?

    Schotty was kept on so I don't blame him for that. Sparano? I have no idea who was responsible for that mess.

    I put some on Ryan but most on Tanny. The Talent level on offense was just awful. We blew any chance of having a winning season bringing in Tebow instead of a legit back-up for when Sanchez started to shit the bed.

    That says a lot for good coaching to pull off six wins.
     

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