I'm currently working on a list of players that I think would fit the Jets in each round of the Draft. I'm still weeding it down but the concept of the list is this Name 3-4 players in each round of the draft that A) fill a need B) have a real chance of being on the board when the Jets pick. C) list them in order of preference. You can assume the following: The Jets will have the Bucs 3rd round pick so you can do a 3A and 3B list since one pick will be at the top of the round and the other towards the middle. Assume The Jets have a comp pick at the end of the 4th and end of the 5th so you can do a A and B pick for each round You can also assume 2 comp 7th round picks so you can do a A,B and C for the 7th. You can also set a hypothetical B group for round one based on either a reasonable trade up or down...Personally I'd be for trading down in round 1 so I have a 1A and 1B, the 1A for drafting at #18 and the 1B for drafting between slot 23-32 But no trade compensation is taken in to account. So far I've only finished my first round (the easy one) and am working on whittling down my 2nd round and 3rd round choices..right now I have about 8 or 9 players for each round and I need to cut that down to 3 or 4 from each round. Actually I have 2 first round lists..one if the Jets draft at 18 and one if they were to move down in to the bottom of the first round between picks 23-32 so I'll call them 1a and 1b 1A Marqise Lee, WR Eric Ebron, TE CJ Mosley. LB 1B Jordan Matthews WR Jace Amaro TE Odell Beckham WR Justin Gilbert CB 2 Austin Seferian Jenkins TE Done Bucannon S Gabe Jackson OG 3A Zach Mettenberger QB James Hurst OT Kyle Fuller CB 3B Donte Moncrief WR Dion Bailey S Christian Jones LB Joel Bitonio OG/OT I'm still sorting out players after that point. This is by no means a final list, I'm still in the very early research phase and my 2-3 round picks almost certainly will change somewhat over the coming weeks.
Why I'm in favor of moving down even if Lee is available at #18. The team needs a lot of help and Lee is a big play maker, no doubt about that but I think the extra picks are worthwhile AND I think the receivers are fine if the Jets can add 2 or 3 receivers who can do the short to middle game, get open and have sure hands. I think Hill can be an excellent deep threat but right now teams treat him as the Jets #1 receiver and have their best corner and or double team on him. He's not that good. But, if the Jets can get a couple guys that force the other team to put their best CB on them and leave Hill in single coverage against the #2 or Nickel back instead of their best I think Hill can thrive. He's not a #1 receiver. So my concept is to add 2 very good receivers to force defenses hands. Preferably at TE and WR, I do like our current slot receiver. By trading down we can still get a very good possession type receiver in a player like Matthews and a good receiving TE in Jace Amaro, or some combination like that.
My top 5 for each round Round 1 - Eric Ebron - Jace Amaro - Darqueze Dennard - Hasean Clinton-Dix - Kyle Van Noy Round 2 - Jordan Matthews - Jarvis Landry - Cyril Richardson - Austin Seferian-Jenkins - Gabe Jackson Round 3 - Deone Bucannon - Jeremiah Attaochu - Tre Mason - Craig Loston - Devin Street
I disagree. It's not every day that a team gets a chance to draft a true playmaker at WR. Yes, the Jets have some holes, probably too many to fill in one draft. Another pick is not gonna make that much difference. If Lee is there at #18, they have to take him, unless they have one of the top 3 TEs rated that much higher. They can still add another good WR in the 2nd or 3rd round. If they miss out on the top 3 TEs, while there is a drop off in talent, they can still upgrade the position with a two-way TE in the 3rd or 4th round, and look to add a better TE next year. I think there is also a drop off in WRs between Lee and the next tier, perhaps not as much as with the TEs., but that could be more than mitigated with the contributions Lee could make.
Austin Seferian-Jenkins This guy isn't going to make it into the second round because of the TE needy Patriots
I can't argue with your perspective. we just have different philosophies I prefer good players with good depth on the team over stars but limited depth. Also with stars you eventually wind up in cap hell. But again, that's just two different philosophies on how to build a team.
It's fine that we disagree. I understand and can see your perspective as well. We're in agreement that we both want good depth on the team. I don't think that having a star or two necessarily means the depth will be limited. As I said, trading down a few spots would only garner one pick in return, a 4th or maybe a 3rd round pick. That one pick is not gonna hurt the depth that much, and the difference between the contributions a stud WR can make and quite likely one depth player who may seldom see the field (if he didn't bust) could be huge, and more than make up for any short term lack of depth. Since the Jets will have more picks next year, they could fill in depth then, whereas if they still didn't have a #1 WR, it could be years before they had the chance to draft one again. Listen, I wanted Tanny to trade down for years to help compensate for all the trading up he had done, but he never did. Trading down can be great, but I have a prime example where it wasn't all that great. I'm not trying to convince you or say that you are wrong, just want to further illustrate my point. Remember when Tuna was the Jets HC/GM? The Jets had given up their 3rd & 4th round picks in '97, 2nd round pick in '98 and 1st round pick in '99 to get Parcells from the Pats. In 1997 he traded down in the first round, passing up on two great LTs in Orlando Pace and Walter Jones (also Darrell Russell, Shawn Springs, Peter Boulware, Bryant Westbrook, and Ike Hilliard) for James Farrior? Also, Tony Gonzalez went just a couple of picks after Farrior. His mantra was that the team had little talent and no depth. In return, he got the Rams 1st (James Farrior), 3rd (traded to the Broncs), 4th & 7th round picks? Who did those picks turn out to be? With the 3rd round pick, he traded it to the Broncos, and added the Bronc's 3rd, 6th, 7th and 1998 6th round pick. So in that draft as a result of his trading down, Parcells got: 1 - James Farrior 3 - Dedric Ward 4 - Terry Day 4 - Leon Johnson 5 - Lamont Burns 5 - Raymond Austin 6 - Tim Scharf 6 - Chuck Clements 7 - Steve Rosga 7 - Jason Ferguson How much depth did that add to the Jets? Conversely, if he had stayed put, the Jets could have wound up with 1 - Any of the players mentioned previously, most likely either Pace, Russell or Jones. Russell wound up with drug problems and didn't last that long in the NFL, but was a great player making two Pro Bowls, and perhaps with Parcells as his HC, may have gotten straightened out. 2 - Rick Terry (a blown pick anyway). Almost any player chose in the first 10 or so picks of the 2nd round was a better NFL player and lasted longer than Terry. Some of the guys he missed out on were Jamie Sharper, Tiki Barber, Jake Plummer, Corey Dillon and Sam Madison. 3 - went to the Pats 4 - went to the Pats 5 - Jeff Mitchell (a longtime center in the NFL) 6 - Al Harris (longtime NFL CB) 7 - Rosga or Ferguson Farrior never amounted to much with the Jets, but became an excellent player for the Steelers. Dedric Ward was a mediocre WR for the Jets. Raymond Austin was traded to the Dolphins for OT James Brown. If Parcells had taken Rosga with the lone 7th round pick instead of Ferguson, he would have missed out on a very good NT, but even if he had still drafted Rick Terry in the 2nd, having Harris, Mitchell and either Pace, Russell, Jones or Gonzales would have more than made up for Ferguson and Ward. I guess the bottom line is it matters who is shopping for the "groceries." Hopefully, Idzik is MUCH better than Parcells!!! :wink:
