Sincere question for draft nerds concerning QBs

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  1. chandler

    chandler Well-Known Member

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    I keep seeing things about Allen's completion % compared to others, but am wondering if this is a fair comparison, given their respective systems and team talent

    For example, some teams use a lot of dink and dunks which may inflate % compared to longer throws (simply because the target is bigger since it's closer)

    Likewise, some teams for whatever reason always seems to have receivers wide open, which should also result in higher % (again bigger targer -- plus less stress of throwing a pick)

    then there is the issue of when the throws were actually made, e.g., when your team is down by a lot, the other team may be more willing to concede underneath throws in the middle of the field

    It seems if a team were smart they would want to somehow normalize the statistics to better compare apples to apples, e.g., Allen's completion % for throws 20 yards +, wide open =X; ROsen's = Y etc.

    Do teams or draft gurus actually do that type of analysis? And if so how are the quarterback candidates actually matching up
     
  2. Rockinz

    Rockinz Well-Known Member

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    Allen will be gone before our pick so no need to worry...

    If by some miracle he’s not we better take him and let him develop under McCowan
     
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  3. Jay Bizniss

    Jay Bizniss Well-Known Member

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    You think the Browns are drafting him number 1?
     
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  4. RubenDias

    RubenDias Well-Known Member

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    I hope you right , i even hope its the bills that get him in a trade up. thats how much i believe he will bust.
     
  5. Rockinz

    Rockinz Well-Known Member

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    No I think Darnold is their guy.

    I think either the Giants will take him or Denver/Buffalo will move up to #2 for him.
     
  6. Jay Bizniss

    Jay Bizniss Well-Known Member

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    That leaves us with Rosen/Mayfield and I am good with either or (prefer Mayfield though).
     
  7. Rockinz

    Rockinz Well-Known Member

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    Ya if the Bills get him we are in trouble. He’s a stud and you will see within the next 2 years
     
  8. Rockinz

    Rockinz Well-Known Member

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    It’s Rosen or Mayfield. I think they go with Rosen
     
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  9. RubenDias

    RubenDias Well-Known Member

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    can you elaborate that? because i don`t see it when i watch his games.
     
  10. Rockinz

    Rockinz Well-Known Member

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    Watch his bowl game tape. That was his biggest game in his collegiate career and he looked like Tom Brady back there.

    He’s got the measurables, he comes from a pro system that produced a current star (Wentz), he’s athletic, his arm talent is unbelievable, his big play abilities are excellent (especially rolling to his right), he is a humble farm boy and most of all he wants it and loves football.

    If you look at his tape 90% of his throws are contested due to a terrible OL especially at RT. His WR dropped a lot of balls too.
     
  11. GasedAndConfused

    GasedAndConfused Well-Known Member

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    they are deciding between allen and darnold right now. and they have no reason to use a smokescreen since they have the 1st overall pick
     
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  12. HomeoftheJets

    HomeoftheJets Well-Known Member

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    Say the Bills are about to trade up to #2. But the Browns leak that they're going to draft the same QB the Bills want. So the Bills give the Browns something ridiculous to move up to #1, and the Browns take the QB they wanted all along at #4.
     
  13. GasedAndConfused

    GasedAndConfused Well-Known Member

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    that wouldn't work, if they "fake leaked" the QB they wanted but then are willing to trade the pick away for the bills to take said QB? nobody would fall for that on the NFL level. it only works if you try to jump ahead of the team taking the player not trade with them.
     
  14. HomeoftheJets

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    Never said it was smart. But these are the Browns.
     
  15. GasedAndConfused

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    which is why they might take allen over darnold, but the bills wouldn't be dumb enough to fall for that trick. the "smokescreen" is making teams think you want 1 player so the teams that want him trade ahead of you for him, and then you take that player after them. If there is nowhere to trade above you, you can't pull it off. Not only that, but since they have the 1st pick, they can technically sign darnold or allen today if they wanted to and then the NYG would be on the clock and could do the same.
     
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  16. Section 336

    Section 336 Well-Known Member

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    I highly doubt the Browns would take Allen with the #1.
    They could very well miss out on their target at #4 then.

    If they truly think that he is the guy, they can take Chubb or Barkley at 1 and pretty much know that he will be there at 4 because Darnold and Rosen would go 2 and 3.
     
  17. GasedAndConfused

    GasedAndConfused Well-Known Member

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    or it could be darnold and allen. the guy who predicted the QBs best last year in his mock, has us taking Allen at 3 over rosen meaning the browns would miss out on allen and take rosen instead
     
  18. TonyFtLaud

    TonyFtLaud Well-Known Member

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    Who is this McCowan guy you keep referencing?
    Is he better than McCown? o_O
     
  19. legler82

    legler82 Well-Known Member

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    Hence the reason why you are not a scout.
     
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  20. 101GangGreen101

    101GangGreen101 2018 Thread of the Year Award Winner

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    unless they are seriously considering Barkley at 1
     

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