Hey guys, I seek to learn something to new everyday. Maybe this will the item today. Last week, I believe the Jets ran two plays on 3rd and short in teh shotgun formation. One failed and one lead to a wide open pass for short yardage and the first down if I remember correctly? I don't understand shotgun formations on 3rd and short, like 3rd and 1. What is the advantage of it? Obviously the advantage of throwing on 3rd and short is to catch the other team off guard and get someone wide open or get a big play down the field. But isn't that much better done with a play action of some sort. If you come out in shotgun, the other teams KNOWS your not running it and therefore is playing the pass, which destroys the whole advantage of throwing on 3rd and short. The only possible answer I could think of is it gives the QB more time. Whereas if you do a playaction and don't have a good o-line like we do, the QB is likely to get hit much faster???? Could that be it? Even though that makes no sense because if you don't trust your pass protection, then just run it, its 3rd and 1.
against a formidable defensive opponent, I can possibly see it as "creativity", against the Chiefs, I see it as IDIOCY!
Against a less celebrated opposing defense I would imagine it was designed to create confusion and favourable matchups for a potential big play or at least a comfortable first down. 50% is not a good enough rate of success, but it is a small sample size.
Football is all about creating matchup problems and keeping a team off balance @ certain points of the game...I cant blame the Jets coaching staff for keeping the Chiefs defense on the ropes during that game... We got the W, and thats the only thing that matters. Time to improve to 5-3 with a win against these Bills!
The coaching is trying to be cute. Unless the team does it, then hurray team for overcoming coaches. It's like kids blaming parents for them fucking up...
The shotgun can be a very effective formation on any down, depending on the specific playcall, execution, and the game itself. For instance, if you've already gashed this defense for 20 yards on a draw up the gut out of the shotgun formation, then a shotgun with playaction isn't a bad idea. You might also like a matchup you get, like a possession WR against a corner that just can't stop him on the short routes. In this case going shotgun allows for better protection and gives the QB better vision and time than the I formation. Finally, there's the playcall itself. You can be running a shotgun TE screen (especially great if you see a heavy blitz coming). Or maybe you see single coverage and want to exploit a matchup deep. There are lots of reasons to do it. The same holds true for the traditional I-formation followed up with a halfback gut or 36 power. This has a higher chance of making it, though it probably won't be a huge play, for essentially the same reasons. It comes down to the specific call, execution, and what you've done thusfar in that game.
I agree with you. I don't think you can really be a great team in this league unless you can line up a hat on a hat on third and short... even if you occasionally play action out of it, as least it provides you with options... I agree with whoever said they're trying to be cute. It seems to me sometimes Mangini trys to stand out by going against the grain. I believe to win and go deep into the playoffs, you need to be able to impose your will as an O line... The Chiefs may have been a good team to try and push around on 3rd and short. To me-- lining up in shotgun says we can't pick it up on the ground which is demoralizing to the O-line, the offense as a whole, and especially to the fans. FYI.. I was sitting in the box next to the 69 Jets-- several of whom completely disagreed with shotgun on 3rd and inches... Which I guess would go without saying.
I agree that you need to be able to man up and get your yards on 3rd and short. In a perfect world that would always be the case. However sometimes you just can't run short. The most recent example I can think of is the Giants' running game against the Steelers last week. From inside the ten we ran the ball 14 times (I think) and did not score a single TD. We went to playaction for a TD. Sometimes you have to go against the grain a bit. Having said that I think Mangini does it to the point of ignoring conventional wisdom. I am not too sold on him as a headcoach, and I think he and his crew are holding this team back.
Touchee, sir. I am not going to defend Schotty's playcalling in general as it's pretty bad, but there is something to be said for creative attacks.
Dork coaches worry that if they do things in the obvious manner all the credit will go to the players and not the coaches. This is actually untrue, winning coaches using simple strategies get all the credit they can handle, look at Lombardi. But dork coaches worry about this stuff, worry about the players getting too much credit. So they come up with weird stuff that is supposed to prove their geniuses. The worst example of this I ever saw was Steve Sampson at the '98 World Cup, I hope someday he tries to cross the street in front of my car.
I am no football expert, but I would guess that this is why the Jets did this. In fact, I think this is why NFL teams call for the shotgun whenever they feel it is necessary. I seem to remember that there was a recent Jets head coach who NEVER called for the shotgun, and he was criticized for it. Sorry that I cannot remember that head coach's name...
Shotgun gives the QB more time and increases his field vision. The downside is the angles it gives to edge rushers as well as how it makes running outside very difficult.
The Jets did what we had to do to escape with the win, thats all that really matter if you ask me...We beat Herm Edwards & the Chiefs... A loss would = a 3-4 Jets team against a Bills team tommorow but you know what? We walked away with a W and now we have a chance @ the AFC East with a record of 4-3...Thats all that matters The AFC East is still on the line
I hate when they do it, it makes no sense just run the ball sometimes its less than an inch when they lineup in shotgun formation, i always yell out loud when they line up in that formation and dont even present the run.
