Seriously...what does Schottenheimer have against this guy? I don't get it. For the umpteenth time this season, we start off with 4 straight running plays, he gets 33 yards (more than 8 a carry), Greene is running into the Eagles 2nd level of defenders with relative ease and then Schottenheimer changes the formations and we're throwing the ball every play. I just don't get it. I'm not saying this is the reason why we lost, but Holmes' fumble (and, trust me, I could start a thread about him, too), set the tone for the rest of the game, and then once we get the gift fumble on the Conley punt, we're passing, passing, passing, again. He's been doing it all season. Everyone wants to ask why Greene can't get to that higher level as a featured back. It's simple. Our OC doesn't get him the ball enough. And, every time Greene has a nice momentum started, Schotty calls 8 passing plays in a row. Can someone please explain this to me? Not only that, but how does Rex (aka Mr. Ground and Pound) allow this to happen, continually?
It's because Schitty is an idiot and tries to get cute. 8 yards a carry isn't good enough apparently.
When Greene gets 20+ carries we are 4-1 this year. It's fairly obvious that when we feed him the rock we have success.
How does everyone see (and know) this, and the guy who gets paid to know and do this, doesn't?? 10, 16, 15, 10, 21, 21, 20, 19, 13, 3 (injured), 13, 22, 24, and 18. Take a guess as to what these numbers represent and what the 20+ numbers mean....I can't take this guy's shit anymore. And considering we all know when Sanchez flourishes most, you would think all these numbers would be higher. Every fucking game, too.
To be honest, I cannot keep blaming Schotty anymore. At some point Rex Ryan has to step up and leash his dog.
In no way will I defend Schotty but if I may play devils advocate...Greene looked great off the bat, carved them up the first possession. Holmes fumbles. Ok, 7-0. Force the turnover on the punt, Sanchez pass on the money to Holmes, right through his hands and picked off. Eagles drive down and make it 14-0. Then it gets to 21 and then 28. By 28-0, even early, your running game is gonna take a big hit. Again just playing devils advocate.
I don't know what he's doing all the time. Actually I think he's the right one but I still don't know why we played so bad.:sad:
Ever since LT got here, Schotty has pretty much kept Greene on a very short leash. Must be Schotty's infatuation with future HOF'ers. At any rate, you see it almost every game. Greene gets on a roll, then Greene gets pulled and we start passing. Perhaps when Schotty becomes HC of some other team in the NFL, we'll start to see a difference but until that happens, get used to it.
If we weren't passing the ball so fucking much, especially with the successful start the running game had, we wouldn't have been in that situation to begin with. The guy above you, I said that in the OP. It's almost getting too late, but Mr. Ground and Pound needs to do something.
That's the problem, I am used to it, and why I started this thread. We will not be successful if this continues any longer. The problem is, the Giants biggest weakness is their secondary....so...
so you wanted to run every play for the entire game? We threw a pass, completed it and then fumbled. When we got the ball aftre the TOP we had a nice pass go through our WRs hands then we were down 14-0 soon after and the gameplan changes. Do people understand this?
How about running the ball until Philly proves it can stop it??? I know our OC pre-screens his first 15 plays, so that cannnot happen. I WOULD run the fucking ball every play, at 8 yards a carry? Why the fuck not? And, if they would have stopped us, you punt, and game plan accordingly. We all know our QB's shortcomings, why put so much on his shoulders?? And junc, you should know better than anyone...the Raiders game (what 2003, or something?), how many times in a row did the Raiders run the ball on us? Who won that game?
It's dopey to suggest that just because your #1 wideout fumbles the ball and then allows an interception, a guy who was SB MVP, who the Jets spent tons of money on, because those things happen that means the OC should have never called a pass play??? You balance the run, make it more effective, with the passing game. Duh.
Just to emphasize here.... Take a look at those numbers above. That is not an acceptable number of carries for a featured back in the NFL. He hasn't gotten 25 carries even ONCE. Not once....we're an 8-6 team. Are you fucking kidding me? Our QB plays his best when the play action pass can be EFFECTIVELY established, and when the defense knows you're passing, and you have Wayne Hunter blocking the best pass rusher on the field that's a gigantic problem. You have to keep the defense guessing, and Schottenheimer is making it easy for the other team. If Greene and Tomlinson rushed the ball 30-35 times combined, we wouldn't be sitting where we're sitting today. I'm not doing another search, but how many times has Sanchez thrown the ball 35+ times this season? Again, we're 8-6, no reason for this.
The Raider '03 game was not a normal game(which oak still lost by the way). We ran it well then we were passing it well until Holmes made 2 bad plays which gave up 7 pts and cost us 3-7 more. You can't just run every play and expect success, we had open pass plays that should have been completed but we didn't execute.
You can't blame the playcall on the two turnovers just because Holmes screwed up. Bad fumble, and a bad job of catching a well thrown ball. Listen, the criticisms aren't invalid. I think Greene should get the ball more if the record shows we're better when he does. It's not always as black and white as the stats dictate though.
If it's so fucking easy to figure that out why doesn't it happen. And, I was talking about the whole season. Yesterday was just a microcosm of that. Read the whole post, not just a sentence or two, which is typical of you, so I'm not surprised at your post.
Holy shit. Do any of you read? This thread is about the whole season. I just used yesterday as a microcosm of that.
junc...you were right btw (haha, I know you love to hear that) I thought we lost that game for some reason. But, again, that kind of proved my point. Oakland ran the ball 50 plus times. We were way better than that Oakland team, they had no business keeping it that close.
