Sean Payton

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  1. Brook!

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    I see no other way.
     
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    I think anyone would take Payton in a nano second.

    JG, not too sure. Depends on how Wilson comes in and performs. If he sucks, why not throw 300 million at the guy who dominated us today?
     
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    I doubt Payton would want Jimmy g. It’s too early for the pitchforks but if it does go that way, signing a check for sean Payton to fill in the amount would be the best move we can make.
    That said, I still think we’re getting a 3rd year of jd/saleh
     
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    Did he dominate us though?
     
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    Rumor has it that Saleh is already on the hot seat.
     
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    I stopped watching, but he had 3 TD which is pretty dominant.
     
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    Eh. We were in the game for a bit, attrition took over lamars not getting mvp consideration off this game.
    See mahomes v Arizona right now to see what domination looks like.
     
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    I yelled and screamed for Andy Reid when he was let go by Eagles but no we had Bowles the choke artist. Chiefs snatched Reid and ended up with Superbowl.

    Now we are in a similar boat. Let this slogan guy Saleh go give the keys to Sean Payton and watch what happens. Enough with incompetent first time HC's. Bring in a vet for a change
     
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    You pay your QB for winning the Super Bowl for you and then you never win another one with him unless his name is Tom Brady.

    The biggest mistake NFL teams make right now is over paying their QB's because they see them as irreplaceable pieces in the puzzle. The teams that do this often get back into the playoffs afterwards but they don't win the Super Bowl. And there have been some very good QB's in the list of guys who got paid and then couldn't win again.

    The only non-Brady QB's to win after getting paid were Eli and Peyton and Eli's team went 9-7 and then got hot in the playoffs and Peyton got carried to his second win by a strong veteran team in Denver while he was mostly sucking.
     
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    Sean Payton left an unbelievably well run franchise with excellent talent scouting to come to the Jets? He’s waiting for the Cowboys job, man.

    But if we’re getting Sean Payton I want to pair him with someone better than Garoppolo.
     
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    There’s only a small sample size of this being true since QBs have only been getting ridiculous deals for the past 10-12 years. You’re not wrong, but this will change over time. And you’ve been hammering this drum for too long without acknowledging that this trend will eventually change.
     
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    Money talks. Throw him $20 mil for 10 years and he will come. It's Woody's money. 11 years of futility has to have a price for Woody. Also, if Cowboys make it Superbowl, they aren't letting their Coaching staff go.
     
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    How about Peyton as coach and we sign Lamar Jackson?
     
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    There's no reason to believe the trend will change.

    The trend is about reducing roster quality by having less cap space available outside the QB slot. Once that happens the quality of the overall team degrades. The QB is good enough to get the team back into the playoffs but he usually runs into a better overall team with a cheaper QB and can't win it all.

    QB's are important but they are not important enough to spend 12-15% of your cap on and that's where teams have been headed for the last decade+. Recently the trend has been towards 18-20%+ and that is extremely unlikely to work particularly given that those contracts tend to be light the first year and then more expensive thereafter.
     
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    He's not coming here. There will be at least one other job opening at the end of the season, so Payton will have options. People with options don't choose the Jets.
     
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    Quarterbacks are more important than they’ve ever been. And you try to reduce their importance when you make this argument as if the sport is the same as it was in 1987. It’s dumb.
     
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    Another Sunday ruined

    The Endless Story of my fandom

    Brook wants Andy Reid and I would have been happy with a Mike McCarthy as Coach ...both huge upgrades from this JV Coach wannabe
     
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    It has nothing to do with 1987. Other than it was not unusual for a QB to win a couple of Super Bowls widely spaced because there was no cap and therefore QB costs and other player costs were independent of each other depending on the largesse of the owner.

    The importance of the QB now is overblown in the overall scheme because of our perceptions of the triggerman being the most important factor by a wide margin.

    The team that wins the Super Bowl most of the time is still the team with the better scoring defense. This has been true in 8 of the last 10 Super Bowl matchups. The team with the better scoring offense has only won 3 out of 10 times. However teams that win the Super Bowl tend to sign their QB's to big deals in the aftermath. This is a classic victory lap maneuver and it ignores the fact that the thing most likely to keep a team competitive at the highest levels is keeping their strong defense together.

    2021 - Rams (7th O, 15th D) over Bengals (7th O, 17th D)
    2020 - Bucs (3rd O, 8th D) over Chiefs (6th O, 10th D)
    2019 - Chiefs (5th O, 7th D) over 49ers (2nd O, 8th D)
    2018 - Patriots (4th O, 7th D) over Rams (2nd O, 20th D)
    2017 - Eagles (3rd O, 4th D) over Patriots (2nd O, 5th D)
    2016 - Patriots (3rd O, 1st D) over Falcons (1st O, 27th D)
    2015 - Broncos (19th O, 4th D) over Panthers (1st O, 6th D)
    2014 - Patriots (4th O, 8th D) over Seahawks (10th O, 1st D)
    2013 - Seahawks (8th O, 1st D) over Broncos (1st O, 22nd D)
    2012 - Ravens (10th O, 12th D) over 49ers (11th O, 2nd D)
     

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