This guy is UNBELIEVABLE. First of all he records his trainer who is on the verge of tears and thinks its private and then releases it to the public. Second of all, the tape just proves what everyone knew. His trainer just keeps asking "what do you want me to do" and comes off as sad that he had to snitch on one of his good friends and a guy who helped him a lot in the past. If anyone was actually innocent they would be angry as all hell and say "I want you to stop lying and tell them the truth". Instead this slimebag danced around it by saying "I just want the truth to come out". In his press conference he comes off like pompous jerk (which is what he is). "I put my butt on the line". WHAT???? You were a professional athlete who got paid obscene amounts of money to play a game. How the hell is that "putting your butt on the line"? If he manages to weasel out of this with any type of reputation left it will be a crime. The man was a great pitcher and he would have been without steroids, dont get me wrong. But he is a scumbag in the truest sense of the word.
I am 50/50 on whether Clemens dd or not but if he is innocent why is what he did a dirtbag move? if McNamee lied that is a dirtbag move and he is just returning the favor in an attempt to clear his name. Never once in that conversation did Mcnamee mention that Roger used, that leans me more to the Roger side whereas before that tape as I was more on the he used side. We'll see what happens now, whatever happens we all just want the truth and at some point the truth will be confirmed.
Because he is 100% guilty I promise you that. Listening to this conversation again on SC this guy says "WHAT THE F**K DO YOU WANT ME TO DO. TELL ME WHAT YOU WANT ME DO". It's so clear that he had no choice but to snitch on Clemens and tell the truth. Anyone in their right mind who was innocent would flip the hell out at someone saying that to you after they just lied and ruined your reputation. Instead, he just mutters something about how he's so numb. Like Francesca said, this guy is playing "the angry man". I cant believe ESPN is trying to spin this in his favor. What a joke that network has become. Also, whether or not he is innocent or guilty, nothing changed since this dude talked to him on the phone the other night. There was no comments from Macnamy or any contact between them. So whereas he was civil and almost commiserating with the guy the other night all of a sudden he "dialed up" a whole lot of anger and contempt, probably at the advice of his lawyers. Pretty scummy to me. "I would love for him to come down here, I would be scared for him" ohhhh tough Clemens when the other night your asking about how his son is etc.
Why didn't Mcnamee say something like "I told the truth"? This sways me more towards Roger, Clemens still may be lying but as bizzare as that call was it made him look better than McNamee. If it turn out Clemens is lying this was a drtbag thing o do, i it turns out he's telling the truth he just did what he had to do to attempt to clear his name. Let's wait for all the facts to come out first, we will find out the absolute truth one way or the other.
You miss the whole point of that call entirely. Everybody assumed that email McNamee sent Clemens was an attempt to set him up. Any normal thinking person would have thought that. Of course he had his lawyer with him when he made the call. Do you know for a fact that McNamee didn't too? I am sure there were certain things he was not allowed to say because of it.
And at the beginning of the call Clemens said "Iam telling the truth and I want that out there". All McNamee says is "I can understand that". He doesn't say "No, you are lying" or "I told the truth too". Nothing along those lines at all. Just "I can understand that". Why didn't he say more then that? I strongly suspect his lawyer was with him too or he knew the call was taped or he was indeed trying to set Clemens up and was taping it himself.
Who's "everybody"? My assumption is that Brian McNamee was trying to evoke sympathy from Roger so that he had an in-road into Roger's good graces. My assumption is that he was, at the bottom of it all, looking for money. "Tell me what you want me to do," twenty-something times, and never once did Roger say, "I want you to show up at my press conference and tell the world that you lied." If Brian WERE lying, that would be the natural statement to follow. The tape may not hurt Clemens' case, but it certainly doesn't help him any.
If Clemens was innocent, that conversation wouldn't make any sense. Instead of saying carefully crafted, prescripted lines like "I just want the truth to come out." When the trainer asks "What do you want me to do?"...Clemens should say "I want you to admit that what you said in the report is lies." Think about it. Does what Clemens said make sense for someone who is innocent? There is a reason why Clemens won't answer live questions or do live interviews here...he needs to be extremely careful in how he crafts this story...every interview, such as 60 minutes, must be pre-approved and scripted. If I were Clemens and innocent, I would be firing with point blank, non interpretive words like "You lied, you destroyed my reputation, my family, and my future." Clemens is guilty as hell, but his ego does not allow him to say he is sorry or admit he did anything wrong...and to not go into the HOF is unacceptable to his ego.
The irony lies in Pats fans defending Harrison. He also claimed he was innocent.:wink: Or pats fans being angry at anyone cheating for that matter.
apparently you were not able to read the whole dynamic of that conversation. Macnamee is a guy who owes everything he has to Clemens and sounded incredibly desperate like he was looking for help. I'm not sure if they played it on ESPN but at he says twice on the tape, "I'm out east here in some fucking one bedroom shithole" or something like that. He tells Clemens "I'm dead broke man." So of course he's not gonna come out at him and antagonize him. He sounded like he had no choice but to tell them the truth and he just hopes Clemens understands. Moreover, like Baron said, every response was extremely scripted and totally non-inflammatory. His lawyers obviously didnt want him getting too tough with Mcnamee on the phone out of fear that he would say something like "I had no choice but to tell them the truth". Any innocent person, especially a guy with a temper like Clemens would go nuts and say something like "tell them the truth, that I never took steroids, and stop ruining my reputation".
Everybody in Clemens camp. Clemens had already said he wanted the truth out there. There was no reason to be repetitive. Look at it with an open mind and not as somebody who has already decided he's guilty and you will see his side of it.
Nonsense. He can't tell him what to say or do. He told him he wanted the truth out there and if McNamee wasn't a liar he would have said "I told the truth" then. He didn't even approach it. Is Clemens suppose to say "perjure your testimony". "Go to jail". Ridiculous.
Wow..do you really believe that? Sounds like you think he was expecting Clemens to give him a few million for saying he took steroids...lol.
Bullshit. The guy was calling him up because he wanted to reconcile and was probably looking for a little change also. He wasnt about to try to antagonize Clemens, a guy who he obviously has a ton of respect for. 99.9% of any innocent american men, especially a self proclaimed "straight shooter" like Clemens, with a temper, would have at some point responded to "What do you want me to do" with "I want you to tell them the truth, and stop lying". However Clemens knows what the real truth is so out of fear of Macnamee saying it he danced around it with responses like "I just want the truth to come out". You have to be a massive Clemens ball washer not to see that.
Don, I'm going to say something here, and if you can believe it, I mean if you can really understand and embrace it, it will put a lot of things in perspective for you: Everything you do and say, in all contexts, is slanted Yankee. I didn't want to have to do that. But it's like a Band-aid - rip quickly and let the healing begin.
He's like me with the Patriots but worse. Now I want everyone in this thread that has ever accused me or New England fans in general of being too eager to come to the defense of the teams we cheer for to read what Don has written. The evidence is clear. We are all hypocrites who will blindly defend our teams and the only difference is how far we will go.
I'm not speaking in specifics, so don't take that to mean that I have just "admitted" that every time I defend the Pats I'm only doing so because I'm a sheep too biased by my being a fan to recognize reality. But, don't try and say that you've never defended a player or coach on a team that you root for in a situation where in retrospect, the criticism was clearly warranted.
As a Yankee fan,I never liked Clemens. His signing this year just solidified it. I liked what he did here in the late 90s,but I think he's as guilty as hell and should go fuck off.
That's just the thing - I would think Yankee fans would be a bit pissed that he took $18 million of the organization's money for such a mediocre performance, and soon thereafter was revealed to be a charlatan. That would certainly piss me off. The most exciting thing about Yankee baseball this year - even for me to watch - was the young crop of pitching, and the buffoonery of Suzyn Waldman, Roger's announcement, and his mediocre pitching detracted from that.
