Robert Saleh’s Jets are on pace to be worse than Adam Gase’s teams

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  1. NYJ1970

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    https://jetsxfactor.com/2021/10/25/robert-saleh-adam-gase-jets/

    Robert Saleh's 2021 New York Jets squad looks frighteningly similar to Adam Gase's 2019 and 2020 Jets teams.

    Robert Saleh’s New York Jets are on a historically bad pace
    With their gruesome 54-13 loss to the New England Patriots in Week 7, Robert Saleh and the New York Jets have fallen to 1-5.

    A 1-5 record is bad enough in itself, but the team’s overall performance level independent of the win-loss record puts them on track to become one of the worst teams – if not the worst team – in Jets history.

    Yes, even worse than Adam Gase’s squads.

    Let’s stack up the 2021 Jets against Gase’s 2019-20 Jets and some of the other brutal teams in Jets history.

    Season-long pace
    The Jets currently own a scoring margin of -95. They are scoring 13.3 points per game (32nd) and allowing 29.2 points per game (29th) for an average scoring margin of -15.8.

    If maintained, that would be the worst mark in the history of the New York Jets.

    Here are the worst teams in franchise history based on their average scoring margin at the end of the season:

    1. 2021 (-15.8)
    2. 1976 (-15.3)
    3. 2020 (-13.4)
    4. 1975 (-12.5)
    5. 1996 (-10.9)
    6. 1963 (-10.7)
    7. 1962 (-10.4)
    8. 1989 (-9.9)
    9. 1995 (-9.4)
    10. 2016 (-8.4)
    We’re only six games in, so the Jets have 11 games to pull themselves out of the franchise’s all-time basement, but the sad fact of the matter is that the Jets very well could finish the season in this spot if they do not start playing a substantially better quality of football.

    The Jets’ numbers in non-scoring categories indicate that their scoring margin is not a fluke based on their performance to this point. They are currently ranked 31st in total offense and 27th in total defense. If those rankings are maintained, they would become the first team in franchise history (since moving to the NFL in 1970) to rank bottom-six in both categories.

    Saleh’s 2021 Jets have been out-gained by 130.2 yards per game this season. Not only is that the worst mark in the NFL this season, but it would be the worst in the history of the Jets as well:

    1. 2021 (-130.2)
    2. 1963 (-118.3)
    3. 2020 (-107.6)
    4. 1976 (-99.0)
    5. 1975 (-87.6)
    6. 2018 (-81.2)
    7. 1971 (-77.9)
    8. 1964 (-73.7)
    9. 1977 (-73.4)
    10. 1989 (-61.4)
    Yikes.

    Even before the New England debacle (551-to-299 yardage edge for the Patriots), the Jets had an average yardage margin of -105.8 over their first five games, which would put them on pace for the third-worst mark in franchise history.

    Six-game start
    The Jets’ six-game start in 2021 is up there as one of the worst that the franchise has ever experienced, comparing closely to Gase’s 2019 and 2020 teams.
    Here is a look at the worst yardage differentials through six games in Jets history:

    1. 1963 (-873)
    2. 2019 (-859)
    3. 2021 (-781)
    4. 2002 (-720)
    5. 1976 (-687)
    6. 1971 (-662)
    7. 2020 (-613)
    8. 2001 (-607)
    9. 2007 (-571)
    10. 2006 (-463)
    Here is a look at the worst point differentials through six games in Jets history:

    1. 1976 (-122)
    2. 2020 (-110)
    3. 2021 (-95)
    4. 1962 (-94)
    5. 2019 (-93)
    6. 1996 (-91)
    7. 1995 (-90)
    8. 2002 (-74)
    9. 2016 (-69)
    10. 2014 (-62)
    We are witnessing perhaps the most embarrassing era in Jets history. The 2019, 2020, and 2021 seasons represent three of the five worst six-game starts in franchise history based on point differential.

    The Jets are a young, rebuilding team, but that is no excuse for the level of ineptitude that has been shown thus far. This is a historically bad football team until proven otherwise.
     
  2. ConcordeChops

    ConcordeChops 2018 International Poster Award Winner

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    All Gase, No Breaks.
     
  3. Footballgod214

    Footballgod214 Well-Known Member

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    Gase's Jets led the league in 1st qtr, opening drive scores (Saleh's Jets lead the 1st qtr league for other reasons).

    Maybe JoeD can slip Saleh Gase's cell number? Couldn't hurt.
     
  4. Jetsin2029

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    Gase could come up with a plan as evident by their opening score drives. He couldn’t make in game adjustments after Defensive Coordinators made adjustments.

    This coaching staff can’t come up with a game plan or make adjustments. The only game they won was due to Wilson making some off script plays.

    Question is will Saleh and staff figure it out?
     
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    Br4d 2018 Weeb Ewbank Award

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    The real question is whether there is enough talent on the team for Saleh and Co. to recover at this point.

    Flacco isn't going to win much with this talent level - maybe 1-3 if we are lucky before ZW comes back and then ZW has basically been a disaster most of the season.

    It isn't hard to see the Jets going 3-14/2-15 without learning anything much about the CS or the roster.

    BTW, there is no question who has laid the basis for this performance: it is all on Joe Douglas.
     
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    abyzmul R.J. MacReady, 2018 Funniest Member Award Winner

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    Gase was good at scripted drives. And nothing else.
     
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    Our lack of flexibility has been our downfall.

    Gase wasn't bad because of lack of in game adjustments. He was bad because he insisted on running a scheme we didn't have the personal for. He kept trying to turn us into the 2012 Broncos, except we weren't stacked with pro bowlers and a HOF QB. It was his system, and maybe it was all he knew, and that was where he couldn't make adjustments. He couldn't be flexible.

    In a sense we are seeing the same problem now with Saleh/LeFluer. They have been trying to turn us into the 2019 49ers but we don't have the pedigree to do that. Yet we keep trying it, with perhaps a little adjustment last week.

    Our problem in a nutshell is this. We have coordinators that want their guys for their systems and they can't seem to just develop a gameplan that plays to the strength of the talent we do have. IMO screw your great offense that your in love with and scheme towards our strengths. Be creative but not overly complicated. We do have a talent set that can succeed with the right plan.

    Our lack of flexibility also permeated our last draft and FA period, as we only looked to sign offensive players that were scheme fits. We choose our #1 WR for his blocking, our QB had to be a strong arm guy who could throw off platform, our linemen had to be able to block for outside zone running, and our RB just had to be really fast. I get wanting to build a certain system. But the best OCs are the ones that can gameplan to the talent they actually have, and not the talent they wish they had. They are not married to their systems, they are obsessed with developing a game plan highligting their strengths and attacking an opponents weaknesses every game.

    OCs that are married to their schemes are one trick ponies. OCs that can adjust week to week on the fly are studs. From all we've seen so far, LeFleur isn't a stud.
     
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  8. BacktoQueens

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    What’s the common denominator between Gase and Saleh?

    JD
    And now Flacco lol

    this team doesn’t have a clue.
     
  9. REVISion

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    Gotta say - it'll be pretty much impossible to defend Douglas if we finish with 2 out of the 3 worst Jets seasons ever in point differential during his brief tenure. Guy will have been with us 3 years and delivered 2 of the worst seasons ever during those 3 years.
     
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    Again, I couldn't possibly disagree more. He had no say regarding Gase so that's the first two years of his tenure. This is his 3rd. When he has supplied the talent, which he has, it's up to the CS to produce. They aren't producing. It's abundantly clear, and you have agreed that LaFleur is in over his head and that even Saleh's D has been awful, that the game plans are awful, etc. How/why should JD take a hit on that? Also, we have been in the midst of a tear down and rebuild, so it's no surprise that things are going to be less than desirable.

    This is just yet another bad take among many among Jets fans.
     
  11. Poeman

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    Lets give the guy a season before we start making these bold analysis.
     
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    I do agree that JD's personnel moves have generally been decent. How can we not blame him for the coaching staff when he hired them though?
     
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    They say it's always darkest before the dawn.


    Anybody know what time it is?
     
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  14. bicketybam

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    JD didn't hire Gase, CJ did.
     
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    CotcheryFan 2018 ROTY Poster Award Winner

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    Didn't Saleh hire the coaches?
     
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    bicketybam Well-Known Member

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    Amen. Guy took over a dumpster fire and he's getting blamed for it. He the best GM we've had in forever.
     
  17. barfolomew

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    I'll take saleh over gase any day. Anybody who thinks different needs their head checked
     
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    Gase had those googly eyes.
    Saleh has a shiny head.

    After that it's tough to tell the difference on the sideline and the scoreboard.
     
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    K'OB 2021 TGG Fantasy Football Champ

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    It is really quite unbelievable that this may happen, Gase was fucking awful, beyond awful in fact.

    To be worse than Gase and his wobbly sidekick should mean you retire from football asap after the season ends.

    So I am fairly confident when I say goodbye Mike been not so great knowing you.
     
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  20. HomeoftheJets

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    Douglas has been good at getting bad players off the team for decent returns. He's been awful at getting good players on the team.
     
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