Now I understand most of us have no real connection to these guys. McCown is what he is. A journeyman backup, great guy, has had some moments of solid play but at this point he's basically a player-coach. Petty seems ticketed for a decade of middling anonymous backup play. Hackenberg can be a good QB if he reaches full potential (and has looked decent thus far) his ceiling is real. But he can also flame out of the league in 12 months and never be heard from again if he's air mailing screens and spiking the ball at the feet of his receivers. But the bottom line is this, what we've assembled at offense this year is such a wretched disgrace that it is going to wind up getting each of these guys killed at some point this season. We're going to learn what we have in Hackenberg this year right? BULLSHIT! We're going to learn nothing about Hackenberg this year because we are not equipping him for anything resembling success. This is what he walks into after that difficult Penn State situation where he was beaten pillar to post? We strip away Marshall. Well ok, he's old, was banged up, locker room cancer. I can accept that. And naturally he will be a perfect locker room leader now that he's across the hall, catch 100 passes, stay healthy and lead the Vagiants to the Super Bowl. But whatever. It was not going to work out here with us. But we still have Decker. Reliable veteran presence. Great guy. Even made idiot Geno look good. Every young QB needs a reliable veteran route runner with good hands. Nope. We inexplicably cut him too. So now we're down to Enunwa. Now we're really tempting fate. And you know what happens when the Jets tempt fate? God makes sure the worst possible scenario happens as Enunwa is struck down for the season. So now this is what we're going to evaluate Hackenberg with? Robby "Kate Moss" Anderson and....who knows? And with this garbage offensive line all that's going to happen to Hackenberg this year is broken ribs. And those rare instances when he does have time, nobody is going to be open. He has nothing to gain by playing this year. And I feel bad for the defense too because I think it's legitimately going to be good for 3 quarters most games before getting gassed and falling apart in the 4th. It is absolutely INSULTING to the rest of the team to field the offense that it looks like the Jets will be fielding
I see your argument, but it'll just be Geno all over again and they'll attempt to play him year 3 and if the QBs are as good as they say they might in next years draft....
Nice post, this has also crossed my mind, I am torn in between the two. You make good points, how can you really evaluate Hack with the talent he has around him- and why risk unnecessary injury. Also, at some point sitting can only do so much, eventually you are going to need to learn from experience.
It's quite the conundrum. I really think this OL will perform better than expected. It's tough because of the QBs in next years draft. That may make playing Hackenberg a guarantee. We will see. I want the kid to get a fair shot.
If he can understand getting the ball out of his hand to keep him upright he will do fine he controls his own destiny. We can't really afford to just have him ride the bench again. Run a bunch of 2 TE sets, A ton of run action( and i mean run more then the 2 run plays we had in our playbook last year), and just manage to get him into manageable 3rd down situations. He can show us he has the wherewithal to not only protect the ball but protect himself while not throwing the season away at every snap.
Great post. I just replied in another post that the Coaching staff will have a better handle on evaluating the QBs than the fan base. They will know if an incomplete or pick is the result of a bad pass or on the receiver as a result of running the wrong route.(Something that appears to be happening too often in practice) I expect to see McClown start the first few games and hopefully the O line gels and is at least decent by week 3 -4. As bad as the receivers are likely to be, Hack must see the field this season. The only other real option is to Sign Cousins , keep Hack and develop him as the future QB. Trade the #1 pick to a QB desperate team for multiple picks this year and next, sign Landry and if Hack develops , he takes over for Cousins in 2020, he would only be 24 and Cousins would have considerable trade value. Well, one can dream.......
You guys must really hate Petty's guts to want to sacrifice him two years running. After Fitz brilliantly executed a $6M heist last year, why not let McClown get his 6mil the hard way.. That is, getting his ass kicked behind another substandard Oline. How long exactly do you "protect" Hack before playing him? We already know McClown isn't gonna last the season anyway. Its almost as if Hack stayed at Penn State since he's not playing in the NFL . Play Hack Now! He's gonna get hit sooner or later. Might as well find out before April '18 if he can play or not.
Anyone have any idea on which WRs might be cut that would make us even marginally better?? I'm hoping we can find a couple of veterans who have experience with the west coast offense Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Good post. It is a tough dilemma and it is a disgrace what they are going to put on the field as far as offensive talent since I believe the defense is going to be ok. This is what happens with terrible mismanagement and lack of addressing the offense in the draft for a decade or so. Notwithstanding this I think we do need to see Hack play this year, sooner rather than later. There is nothing to be gained by starting McCown, at least Hack may learn something from the experience assuming he survives it.
If they're gonna redshirt Hack to protect him, might as well give Kaepernick a call. Spike Lee will love the Jets again. If Hack is holding the ball and taking "sacks" in TC before Enunwa was injured, he wont last long in a real game. I see the QB rotation being: 1) McCown (Injured and out for the season within the first 2 games) 2) Hack* (Injured/Benched within the next 2 games) 3) Kaep is signed. 4) Petty* (Injured/Benched within the next 2 games) then 5) Kaep to finish out the season. In typical Jets fashion, Kaep puts up mediocre to decent numbers, the Jets win 4 games guaranteeing the 4th pick in the draft and missing their opportunity to draft a top QB prospect. Kaep is signed to a 2-year $20 million deal because he gives the Jets "the best chance to win". *Of course both Hack and Petty will suck balls because they have no recievers and weren't properly prepared to start in pre-season.
Disagree. Why play the 38 year old if we are rebuilding? Play Hackenberg all year--we are not going to playoffs anyway. See what he can do. If he stinks,(likely). cut him and Bowles and start over next year with new coach and QB so they grow together. Todd "feel free to miss the meetings" Bowles is NOT ever taking a team to the playoffs. .
If the plan all along was to have Petty be the "scrub", it really pisses me off that they didn't go ahead and draft the best QB available and go with McCown, Hack, and the rookie. As it now stands of the three QBs they have, two of them are not any kind of long term answer (although I still don't understand the hate for Petty). Their future consists of a guy who has yet to play a single down in a real game after sitting for a year. Macc must really have been smitten. I still see no benefit in giving McCown the majority of the snaps. Right now it should be 1. Petty; 2. Hack; 3. McCown. As usual, the Jets have it bass-ackwards.
To the OP, I totally see what your saying, and I agree with your general sentiment but the problem is if the Jets don't play hackenberg this season then they lose valuable evaluation time. I get it, how can we accurately assess what he's supposed to be when everything around him is unproven. The thing is though, if we go 2-14 and don't give Hack a shot, then we won't know how to address the future. In the 2018 draft, I think we will end up drafting between 1-3. Assume Rosen and Darnold both come out, assume that we have our pick of a QB at the top of the draft, it would be in the Jets best interest to see what hackenberg, a second round pick, has to offer before investing such a high pick. The way I see it is, regardless of how bad the supporting cast is, Hack needs to get his shot. From all indications, he is leaps and bounds improved and IMO, he deserves to show that. If he puts up great numbers with an unproven supporting cast, the picture going forward gets a bit clearer. If he is ok, or flat out awful, again, the picture becomes clearer as the Jets will know whether they need to address the QB high in 2018.
The first preseason game is going to be hack's chance to make a statement. McCown will start and probably play one series. Hack will likely get the rest of the 1st half, maybe into 3rd qtr. if he looks clueless like last yr and has like a 30% completion rate and looks like total ass that will bode very poorly.
Hack is listed as third string behind McCown, then Petty on the depth chart for the first preseason game.
I believe Mac said they would Protect Hackenberg through the first two franchise tags, year 7 he must play....
