The Jets have to do something radical to change the way that other teams will continue to "game" our defense and "out-scheme" our defensive scheme by [too-easily] game-planning around our best players while attacking our greatest weakness. The defense will likely continue to hemorrhage because of injuries several tiers down the safety depth chart that is to begin with untalented, and because "the book is out on Rex's schemes". On this last point, in reality, the question really remains unresolved whether Rex just doesn't have the horses and his scheme is covering up the weaknesses in personnel or vice-versa, whether the scheme is exposing weaknesses in talent. This is a question we don't know. But I guarantee you Rex knows the answer. He has recently put the onus on the players and fundamentals. Kansas City may not be a team that can capitalize but most any other top tier team can, has, could -- or will. It's not just coaching, scheme, and team defense we're talking about. We're also seeing a disturbing trend with the franchise's most talented player on defense in 25 years -- maybe ever. With scouting and game-prep at historically high levels and with technology (and probably proprietary software we've never heard of) involved in the game more than ever, savvy coaches have been able to make in-season and season-to-season adjustments for even the greatest players. Even Hall-of-fame caliber talents like Darrelle Revis. Witness for example what a coach like BB was able to do [in-season] this year with his personnel to game-plan around not just Revis, but Cromartie shutting down Moss and their previously designed clear-out, perimeter passing game, featuring Moss deep and perimeter and Welker/Faulk/TE underneath. BB has completely retooled and changed philosophy in the passing game because he was at a competitive disadvantage. To turn things to his advantage, he had take advantage of the Jets greatest weakness: the middle of the field against our safeties, nickels, and linebackers in coverage. Seemingly all too easy. And it is too easy to take out of the game a cornerback as dominant as Revis has been over the past few years, and into last year's playoffs. Last year, teams actually challenged Revis, and he was a close second in NFL DMVP. This year -- actually since the AFCCG vs Manning -- while they've challenged an injured Revis, the adjustments are in. Teams go to three wide, force a NB or LB or S to cover a Slot WR, TE, or RB, and there is almost no reason to pass the ball where Darelle Revis is. Why do it? They won't, unless its an ambush-type play, take-em-by-surprise. So, what we have is our best player (when healthy - and its not close), the potential best defensive player in franchise history, a player with Hall-Of-Fame talent - including speed, physicality, ball-skills, ambition and acumen, that is never around the play (or not nearly enough) unless it's run to his side. Revis Island gets a little lonely without any interceptions to keep him company. [Revis has ZERO ints this year...] What to do? Here's the idea. Don't break it out until it is necessary, but when it is, break it out in full force. Don't give BB any chance to game plan for this this year. Get through the WC round without it, and then let Hell in the form of REVIS at Safety break loose. Think about it: at times, a savvy offense can just phase Revis out of the game by shifting the play where he isn't. This is similar to what happens when running say at John Abraham. There are reasons for this. Some positions in football function cybernetically - the effectiveness is in the power of tandems, or trios. In other cases, in whole sub-units (Secondary/LBs/DL). In all cases, there is an organic interrelationship between derivatives of sub-units (the-coverage-sack; the hurry-and-forced-interception; shut down a run game, force them to pass, etc). Te Jets thought that we had addressed the above technical talk with two names: Cromartie and Wilson. Cromartie was to be "the guy they had to throw to at their own risk bc they knew they weren't throwing to Revis". And Wilson was to be "the guy who could cover Garcon". None of that really panned out. And other QBs are still avoiding Revis when he is healthy. Today's QB and passing game is so savvy that if you can't generate pocket pressure (we can't) coverage will eventually break down somewhere. At this point, Revis's HOF career is going to be wasted, lampooned to the perimeter, away from the play, marooned on Revis Island of his own creation. That is the future, because you can't build a defense - or even a dominant secondary - with just one dominant CB. It is IMPOSSIBLE. But playing Revis at safety would allow him much greater freedom to insinuate himself into the play, to control the defense (safety in Rex's scheme is the QB of the D), and dominate. Avoid being phased out. Force QBs to account for you on every play. What is he doing? Is he playing CB, NB? Blitzing? Centerfield? Revis in centerfield is a natural evolution. Imagine him overtop and Cromartie underneath in man-under on Bowe or Wallace or Calvin J or Andre or a TE in goalline? He'd have a MUCH greater impact on every play and every game. Otherwise, he's just wasting away out there -- way out there opposite the direction of the play. And this will continue. He's big enough, physical enough, a great tackler, smart enough, fast enough to be Rex's Ed Reed. He's also, essecntially another CB out there when needed. Maybe not Ronnie Lott but IMO he should be making a Ronnie Lott transition from CB to FS. This would also allow Wilson to play his natural outside CB position. Rex must have learned by now what OCs are doing. This is a natural move as any. ----------Pool-----Revis----------- Cromartie-----Wilson/Coleman/Cole- Pace----Scott----Harris--BT/Taylor -------Devito---BO---Ellis---------- Thoughts?
I hate this idea. We need to draft a Safety or sign one during FA in the offseason.....not move over best cover corner into a position of need.
it doesn't work, and we tried this last year. Not only did we get Pool, but we got Cromartie and Wilson. That plan doesn't work.
This. Move Revis to safety? Is "Fuck No" a good enough answer to that? Not to mention the fact Lott was taller and wider and a bigger hitter. Revis is an excellent tackler and a World-Class cover guy. He is perfect where he is. He could end up with a concussion playing safety.
you do realize that Revis' best years are still ahead of him, right? Perhaps when he slows down in the twilight of his career (like Rod Woodson for example), a move to Safety would make sense....but not right now. That would be stupid and a waste of his talent. His job is to shutdown the opposing team's biggest receiving threat.....he does that on a week-to-week basis....why would you want to change that?
what makes you think revis has instincts to play as a free safety? revis is good because he studies like a nerd, doesnt get faked out by double moves, sticks with his receiver like glue, and has way above average upper body strength for a defensive back. how about rex's brilliant brain creates a pass rush out of what we have for the remainder of the 2010 season?
Your forgetting that as soon as Revis is not playing CB the offense will throw it to the guy he would have been covering...
no this is an awful idea. put revis on the number 1 the ENTIRE GAME. Cromartie on the number 2 target WITH occasional help from Lowery. David Harris, and Pool will have to figure out the TE's. Main issue is getting to the QB. None of this other shit really matters. If we had a Justin Tuck, Freeny, Osi, etc type player... shit would be alot easier for every single player on this defense. A Tuck, Freeny, and Osi can handle double teams, and then this allows chaos for our shitty pass rushers to look like super stars.
Our secondary is fine the way it is......it's the fact that opposing QBs have time to take a shit and then throw the ball after the snap...is what's killing our defense. You could have 4 Revis's in the secondary, but it doesn't mean squat without an effective pass rush.
no actually if we had 4 Revis's in the secondary it would be coverage sack all day. even with a shitty pass rush you see revis not losing a step on his man. people still cant get open with revis on them
Not permanently, but maybe for a quarter or two in let's say the AFCCG against the Pats just to fuck with Billichek's game plan. But then again I don't know shit. Like someone said before, Brady and Billichek would adjust in 0.1 seconds to the new game plan... throw at Kyle Wilson all day.
I'm sure you understood the point I was trying to make. Anyway....no offense to the OP....but this thread is stupid.
nah yeah i understood what you meant, but then i thought to myself. ... 4 players of a darrelle revis caliber on the same TEAM?!?!!?
I dont agree with that. what if we dont keep cromartie? you have wilson on the other side. Where's tom brady going to throw that ball? Lott did it a different way. You don't have to be a big hitter in Rex's D. You need to be Ed Reed. Revis can approximate Ed Reed. Change it because personnel-management-wise and scheme-wise, it isn't working. Good QBs are destroying us. And we have the #2 CB we wanted -- Cromartie. It just doesn't work. Plus, fixing the pass rush is a completely separate issue and not necessarily solvable thru the draft or FA. Cameron Wake is an outlier.
^^^^^^ Revis will probably play as a safety if he plays into his late 30's. (rod woodson) you dont agree revis still has his best days ahead of him??? he is fucking 25!!! Fuck he has done alot in this league, and learned alot, but the fucker could be outrageous in 3 years.
