Random thoughts on what we saw today and maybe what it means

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  1. Br4d

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    1. Mark Sanchez and Brian Schottenheimer don't fit together. This may be Sanchez fault and it may be Schotty's fault or more likely a combination of the two.

    However, a franchise can't move forward with a QB and an OC that are not on the same page at all times. It is clear at this point that not only are Sanchez and Schotty not on the same page but they're only occasionally reading from the same book.

    The Jets need to resolve this one way or the other or they're not going to get over the hump. I'd prefer to get rid of the proven mediocre OC as opposed to the young franchise QB but more than anything I want to stop watching the two of them pulling in opposite directions for much of the game every week. It's not working. Time to fix the problem for good.

    1a. The interception that Sanchez threw early today was an error in execution. When confronted with a field full of defenders and under pressure Sachez should have thrown the ball away. Instead he forced the ball into the pack and predictably got intercepted. We've seen this, we know what happens when Sanchez throws the ball into a crowd - nothing good.

    1b. Schotty did indeed change things up today. Every pass receiver and every pass defender were on the right side of the field within 15 yards from each other when Sanchez threw the ball up for grabs.

    This is an improvement in Schotty's thought patterns: don't give Sanchez a minefield to throw into on the left side of the field, let's try doing that on the right side and see what happens.

    1c. When you have a bad play called to start with any error in execution is likely to lead to disaster. This is the conjunction that Schotty and Sanchez occupy right now - I'll call a bad play, you make a bad throw and we'll all watch Rex turn beet red and stomp around a bit. This is a terrible place for the Jets offense to be in but we've seen it enough to know that it goes there a fair amount of the time.

    2. The Mangold injury is going to be a problem. Not just because Mangold is really good, because that's obvious. Not just because Colin Baxter is bad, because I don't really think that he's all that bad - he seemed kind of passable today for periods of the game. But because Matt Slauson is kind of mediocre and Wayne Hunter is really mediocre and when you have mediocrity at several positions on the line the whole tends to be less good than the sum of the parts. Get well Mangold or the Jets season is going to go down the tubes, maybe really quickly.

    3. Shonn Greene is a good rotational back. If the Jets can use him this way he's REALLY good. He's not so good as a workhorse and so the Jets need to start working on putting McKnight into the rotation. That's the best shot at getting things moving on the ground right now.

    3a. LaDainian Tomlinson is a great 3rd down back even in his twilight years. Get the Running downs rotation setup and the Jets running game will be just fine.

    4. Where are all the blitzes?

    The Jets are not getting pressure on the QB at this point and sitting back and defending is just going to make Antonio Cromartie and Eric Smith look like weak links before too long.

    The Jets did blitz today but they put almost no pressure on Jason Campbell in the process. The answer was probably to double down now and then and instead the Jets backed off. This defense scares nobody when it is laying back unless the QB is stupid enough to look at Revis when all of his other receivers have forever to get free.

    5. The loss today was not on Brian Schottenheimer. It was not on Antonio Cromartie. It was not on Mark Sanchez. It was not on Mangold's ankle. It was on Rex Ryan and Mike Pettine, whose defense did not show up to play today. I hope he fixes that. He's a pretty upright guy and I'm reasonably sure when he looks at the film he'll realize that he needs to bring more to the table than he did today. Just like he needed to bring more in Pittsburgh last year at the end of the season.

    5a. Man does Cromartie look like a wild card at this point. Was he visiting like wife 9 last night before the game? Because he sure looked like his head was somewhere else all game.
     
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  2. Jake

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    I don't see how today shows Sanchez and Schotty don't fit together. And I don't see how either of the previous two do, either. I thought Schott calling for several roll-out pass plays was a good idea to mask the OL problems to an extent. In fact, other than the Sanchez INT, which was a bonehead throw, I thought the pass offense was pretty efficient considering how bad the OL was playing.
     
  3. TommyGreen

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    I thought you were dead.
     
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    This game did feel like a game where the Jets could have hung 40. Unfortunately the interior line is brutal without Mangold.
     
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    I think Schotty is very stubborn, so yeah, I guess they don't fit together.
     
  6. DimsAllmighty

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    Sanchez didnt eat his lucky hot dog
     
  7. Mr Electric

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    1. No, it wasn't an error in execution.

    1a. It was a case of Mark Sanchez trying to do too much.

    1b. It was most likely going to be a quick pass and it wasn't there, so Sanchez kept the play alive with his feet and should have taken off or thrown the ball into the stands.

    1c. Again, it had nothing to do with executing the play because the initial play broke down and wasn't going to work.
     
  8. JETFIGHTERS

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    Some of the calls on Cro were bad. There were a lot of bad calls during the game.
    I blame Shotty because he is not the answer at OC.
    I blame Sanchez because he is still making dumb decisions, and its year 3.
    I blame the defense for not coming out hungry.
    I blame REX for not being the shit talker he normally is, remember pittsburg?
    I don't know but is the offensive line making Green look so so bad, but the same offensive line making LT look good?
     
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    Awesome post. Don't necessarily agree with Greene.. I think he can carry the load if he gets some help up front to open some holes.

    Definitely agree with 1 and it's something I've been saying. Shotty doesn't seem to know how to play to Sanchez's strengths. It's like fitting a square peg into a round hole.. his offense is based on timing and precision, and that's really not when Sanchez is at his best. Great post though.
     
  10. Jake

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    You think RRs media theatrics would've made a difference in this game? C'mon man.

    One loss and the fan base is embarassing itself again.
     
  11. JETFIGHTERS

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    Great post.

    Read again Jake.

    Shotty sucks.
     
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  12. Br4d

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    @Mr Electric

    Your definition of execution differs from mine. I think that all the things that a player does as he tries to execute a play should be taken into account. This includes the things he does after the play has broken down.

    Secondly I don't think that play broke down. I think Schotty called a rollout right and flooded receivers to the right side of the field. I think Sanchez executed very poorly when given that play call.

    Why Schotty decided to flood one side of the field with defenders and ask Sanchez to throw the ball there is an open question. We're not talking Tom Brady or Peyton Manning throwing the ball here, and I think most other QB's would have trouble executing that type of play.
     
  13. Mr Electric

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    @Br4dw4y5ux

    Your definition of execution is fucking retarded then.
     
  14. Jake

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    Yeah I read it. You're blaming Rex for not talking shit to the media.
     
  15. Miamipuck

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    Maybe I am wrong but I think that was a busted play and not a designed roll out. I have to watch it again but I thought the Oline got schooled yet again and there was a defensive lineman that flushed Sanchez..........
     
  16. Br4d

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    Yeah that's what I think too. What Brian Schottenheimer needs at QB to execute his offense well is Chad Pennington's accuracy coupled with Mark Sanchez arm strength. That's Drew Brees.

    I wonder if New Orleans needs an offensive coordinator?
     
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    were f*ckn dead next week.....Nata is gonna blow our line up and Sanchez will be out with concussion for 3-4 weeks...gonna be ugly
     
  18. Mr Electric

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    I'm pretty sure Sanchez had a quick drop, he looked LEFT, nothing was there, and then he had to run for his life.
     
  19. Br4d

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    Do you strangle kittens for a living? I get that feeling now and then reading your posts.
     
  20. JETFIGHTERS

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    I continue to see Holmes or Plex wide open and Sanchez not recognizing.

    Yes Sanchez is making dumb decisions.

    And Shotty sucks eggs.

    Read again Jake, I blamed the team.
     

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