Rambo's Power Rankings

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  1. Rambo13

    Rambo13 New Member

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    I have begun to calculate my own power rankings. I will submit my methodology and rationalization in bit but am out the door at the moment. Let me know what you think, there are some obvious outliers if you will at this time.
     
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    Rank	Team	Sum	Win	Loss	%	H-W	H-L	H-%	R-W	R-L	R-%	PF	PA	PD	S.O.S.
    1	TEN	10.41	4	0	1.000	3	0	1.000	1	0	1.000	25.5	11.5	14.0	0.345
    2	NYG	8.66	3	0	1.000	2	0	1.000	1	0	1.000	27.7	14.3	13.3	0.500
    3	BUF	8.65	4	0	1.000	2	0	1.000	2	0	1.000	27.3	15.8	11.5	0.424
    4	DAL	8.43	3	1	0.750	1	1	0.500	2	0	1.000	30.0	22.3	7.8	0.533
    5	SD	5.19	2	2	0.500	1	1	0.500	1	1	0.500	34.5	28.0	6.5	0.541
    6	TB	5.04	3	1	0.750	2	0	1.000	1	1	0.500	25.3	19.5	5.8	0.484
    7	PHI	4.61	2	2	0.500	2	0	1.000	0	2	0.000	27.5	18.5	9.0	0.550
    8	MIA	3.95	1	2	0.333	0	1	0.000	1	1	0.500	20.7	21.3	-0.7	0.508
    9	WAS	3.79	3	1	0.750	2	0	1.000	1	1	0.500	21.5	20.3	1.3	0.492
    10	BAL	3.23	2	1	0.667	2	0	1.000	0	1	0.000	21.7	14.3	7.3	0.467
    11	CHI	2.86	2	2	0.500	1	1	0.500	1	1	0.500	23.5	20.0	3.5	0.417
    12	PIT	2.80	3	1	0.750	2	0	1.000	1	1	0.500	19.3	14.5	4.8	0.483
    13	CAR	2.28	3	1	0.750	2	0	1.000	1	1	0.500	20.0	17.5	2.5	0.500
    14	DEN	1.90	3	1	0.750	2	0	1.000	1	1	0.500	33.3	29.3	4.0	0.484
    15	NO	1.85	2	2	0.500	2	0	1.000	0	2	0.000	27.8	25.0	2.8	0.524
    16	NYJ	-0.09	2	2	0.500	1	1	0.500	1	1	0.500	28.8	29.0	-0.3	0.508
    17	SEA	-0.26	1	2	0.333	1	1	0.500	0	1	0.000	25.7	26.7	-1.0	0.541
    18	GB	-0.35	2	2	0.500	1	1	0.500	1	1	0.500	27.3	25.3	2.0	0.458
    19	ATL	-0.43	2	2	0.500	2	0	1.000	0	2	0.000	22.5	20.8	1.8	0.476
    20	JAX	-0.94	2	2	0.500	1	1	0.500	1	1	0.500	19.8	21.3	-1.5	0.483
    21	ARI	-0.99	2	2	0.500	1	0	1.000	1	2	0.333	26.5	25.8	0.8	0.508
    22	SF	-1.10	2	2	0.500	1	1	0.500	1	1	0.500	23.5	24.3	-0.8	0.483
    23	MIN	-1.67	1	3	0.250	1	1	0.500	0	2	0.000	17.8	20.5	-2.8	0.508
    24	IND	-3.28	1	2	0.333	0	2	0.000	1	0	1.000	17.3	22.3	-5.0	0.458
    25	KC	-4.44	1	3	0.250	1	1	0.500	0	2	0.000	16.3	24.3	-8.0	0.565
    26	OAK	-4.57	1	3	0.250	0	2	0.000	1	1	0.500	19.5	25.3	-5.8	0.550
    27	NE	-4.78	2	1	0.667	1	1	0.500	1	0	1.000	16.3	19.3	-3.0	0.500
    28	CLE	-5.74	1	3	0.250	0	2	0.000	1	1	0.500	11.5	19.5	-8.0	0.593
    29	HOU	-6.34	0	3	0.000	0	0	0.000	0	3	0.000	18.7	33.0	-14.3	0.458
    30	CIN	-8.09	0	4	0.000	0	2	0.000	0	2	0.000	13.0	21.8	-8.8	0.559
    31	DET	-10.66	0	3	0.000	0	1	0.000	0	2	0.000	19.7	37.7	-18.0	0.516
    32	STL	-19.89	0	4	0.000	0	2	0.000	0	2	0.000	10.8	36.8	-26.0	0.576
    
    Notes:
    ? Ranks are calculated based on Points Margin, Home/Away and Strength of Opponent for each game and summed over the season.
    ? Ranks are based on an absolute sum not averaged over games played (teams with less games played will be at a disadvantage).
    ? The rank differential portion of the calculation is based on the prior weeks ranks. Early season game rank multipliers might be significantly different from their late season counterparts
    ? Win Loss, Home/Away, PPG and Stength of Schedule are shown as reference only and are not explicitly used in the calculations.
     
  3. Revis Flytrap

    Revis Flytrap New Member

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    The proof is in the pudding, so to speak. Based upon your rankings, you can make predictions about this weeks games.
    So your picks are:
    Buf, Car, Chi, Dal, TB, GB, Ind, Pitt, SF, Giants, Phi, SD, Ten, NO.

    I would say if you are right on 11/14 then you're on to something.

    Now, you may want to adjust the rankings for home field in a game and other intangibles. For example, TB at Den--you could subtract 1.5pts for TB on the road, and add 1.75 for Den at home. As an example, this would change your pick to Den. For the model to be good, you would have to calculate these adjustments in a lawful manner.

    Also, you can apply your theories to past seasons and see how it turns out. Then, adjust the values so that you predict seasons that are over very well. Then, use those values to predict the future.

    Keep on working on it--it has good potential, in my opinion.
     
  4. Steve032

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    Miami at 8? everything else was ok though
     
  5. Cellar-door

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    it's early so the dolphins/Pats game skews things alot, a big road win for thedolphins, a big home loss for the patriots, and both had the bye so only 3 games
     
  6. Rambo13

    Rambo13 New Member

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    That is exactly it. Steve I agree with you it is odd and probably means the calculations I use need to be tweaked more than that they are the 8th best team.

    To give a little background I base the rankings on making a rank calculation based on Point differential, Home/Away (Home wins are worth less than Road wins, etc.) and Rank differential (a 16 beating a 2 is better than a 5 beating a 2, etc.). These are calculated each week and summed from week to week. The calculations are such that the winning team gets X and the losing team gets -X so it will always add up to 0.

    For example if #5 Team A beats #7 Team B by X points at home, Team A will receive a certain amount of "points" for beating them by X (this amount could add or detract from the total based on if it was a blowout or a close game (blowouts = more impressive)), a certain amount of points for beating a #7 team as a #5 team and a certain amount of points for winning at home. These are all multiplied and added to the previous weeks total which is used to calculate the next weeks ranks.
     
  7. Rambo13

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    As mentioned in my previous post, this seems like an outlier. It was the single biggest weekly total by any team in the first 4 weeks because of the huge point differential on the road. For example, Philly beat STL by the most points so far but did it on the road in week 1 (where all teams are assumed to be equal). Given that it is so short into the season and some teams have played more games than others (NYG for instance would probably be #1 if they played 4 games and won the 4th) this will even out over time.

    Nevertheless I am seeking additional scoring metrics that make sense or others ideas on the best way to value a certain outcome of a game.

    Thoughts?
     
  8. Rambo13

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    Week 5 Power Rankings
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    Rank	Team	Sum	Win	Loss	%	H-W	H-L	H-%	R-W	R-L	R-%	PF	PA	PD	S.O.S.
    1	NYG	14.15	4	0	1.000	3	0	1.000	1	0	1.000	31.8	12.3	19.5	0.513
    2	TEN	10.87	5	0	1.000	3	0	1.000	2	0	1.000	23.0	11.2	11.8	0.347
    3	ARI	10.39	3	2	0.600	2	0	1.000	1	2	0.333	29.4	24.0	5.4	0.514
    4	DAL	9.10	4	1	0.800	2	1	0.667	2	0	1.000	30.2	22.2	8.0	0.514
    5	CHI	8.82	3	2	0.600	1	1	0.500	2	1	0.667	25.6	17.4	8.2	0.413
    6	CAR	7.95	4	1	0.800	3	0	1.000	1	1	0.500	22.8	14.0	8.8	0.494
    7	WAS	5.42	4	1	0.800	2	0	1.000	2	1	0.667	21.8	19.6	2.2	0.479
    8	MIA	4.79	2	2	0.500	1	1	0.500	1	1	0.500	19.8	18.5	1.3	0.479
    9	TB	4.37	3	2	0.600	2	0	1.000	1	2	0.333	22.8	18.8	4.0	0.494
    10	PIT	4.07	4	1	0.800	2	0	1.000	2	1	0.667	20.6	15.8	4.8	0.472
    11	SD	3.51	2	3	0.400	1	1	0.500	1	2	0.333	29.6	25.8	3.8	0.554
    12	PHI	3.02	2	3	0.400	2	1	0.667	0	2	0.000	25.4	19.4	6.0	0.581
    13	BAL	2.69	2	2	0.500	2	1	0.667	0	1	0.000	18.8	14.0	4.8	0.493
    14	DEN	1.83	4	1	0.800	3	0	1.000	1	1	0.500	29.8	26.0	3.8	0.459
    15	NO	1.18	2	3	0.400	2	1	0.667	0	2	0.000	27.6	26.0	1.6	0.526
    16	ATL	0.32	3	2	0.600	2	0	1.000	1	2	0.333	23.4	21.4	2.0	0.455
    17	NYJ	0.16	2	2	0.500	1	1	0.500	1	1	0.500	28.8	29.0	-0.3	0.507
    18	MIN	-0.77	2	3	0.400	1	1	0.500	1	2	0.333	20.2	21.8	-1.6	0.507
    19	GB	-1.16	2	3	0.400	1	2	0.333	1	1	0.500	26.6	25.6	1.0	0.480
    20	NE	-2.00	3	1	0.750	1	1	0.500	2	0	1.000	19.8	19.8	0.0	0.500
    21	IND	-2.01	2	2	0.500	0	2	0.000	2	0	1.000	20.8	23.5	-2.8	0.446
    22	JAX	-2.10	2	3	0.400	1	2	0.333	1	1	0.500	20.0	22.2	-2.2	0.493
    23	SF	-3.30	2	3	0.400	1	2	0.333	1	1	0.500	23.0	25.4	-2.4	0.493
    24	BUF	-3.47	4	1	0.800	2	0	1.000	2	1	0.667	25.2	20.8	4.4	0.443
    25	OAK	-4.15	1	3	0.250	0	2	0.000	1	1	0.500	19.5	25.3	-5.8	0.520
    26	CLE	-5.59	1	3	0.250	0	2	0.000	1	1	0.500	11.5	19.5	-8.0	0.573
    27	SEA	-6.29	1	3	0.250	1	1	0.500	0	2	0.000	20.8	31.0	-10.3	0.541
    28	HOU	-7.57	0	4	0.000	0	1	0.000	0	3	0.000	20.8	32.5	-11.8	0.479
    29	CIN	-8.92	0	5	0.000	0	2	0.000	0	3	0.000	14.8	23.6	-8.8	0.556
    30	KC	-9.76	1	4	0.200	1	1	0.500	0	3	0.000	13.0	26.2	-13.2	0.560
    31	DET	-16.39	0	4	0.000	0	2	0.000	0	2	0.000	16.5	36.8	-20.3	0.526
    32	STL	-19.17	0	4	0.000	0	2	0.000	0	2	0.000	10.8	36.8	-26.0	0.581
    
    Notes:
    ? Ranks are calculated based on Points Margin, Home/Away and Strength of Opponent for each game and summed over the season.
    ? Ranks are based on an absolute sum not averaged over games played (teams with less games played will be at a disadvantage).
    ? The rank differential portion of the calculation is based on the prior weeks ranks. Early season game rank multipliers might be significantly different from their late season counterparts
    ? Win Loss, Home/Away, PPG and Stength of Schedule are shown as reference only and are not explicitly used in the calculations.
     
  9. Rambo13

    Rambo13 New Member

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    The anomaly here is obviously ARI and BUF. That game caused the season high in rank adjustment with a blowout win over the then #2 ranked team. As you can see, Arizona went from negative to the third highest rank total in one game. We shall see if Arizona can back it up like Miami which validated its case as a top 10 team with a solid victory over San Diego.
     
  10. Harpua

    Harpua Well-Known Member

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    I'd say you have a very good start on your hands Rambo. Obviously you need tweaking, but I like your start. Keep us updated =D
     
  11. Rambo13

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    Yeah tweaks are needed and I'm open to suggestions. Maybe I'll post the exact formula to help. It's tough to justify dropping a one loss team from 2 to 24 regardless of the circumstances. It also doesn't take into account injuries which could float teams one way or the other.
     
  12. Gotham Green

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    Seems to me that you need to find a way to damp the results from one game. The Arizona Buffalo game seems to have skewed things big-time. Is there a way you can throw out a high and a low or weight an anomalous result less than results that fit a trend?

    For example, we have instruments that are crappy, but they're easy to use. So, we take five readings and pitch the high and the low and average the other three. Using this, we can get fairly repeatable readings, even if there's a propensity for reading high or low. Just a thought.

    The idea about looking at certain points in past seasons and (knowing what the results will be) seeing how your formula holds up and where it falls down (and if it falls down in a particular spot repeatedly) is certainly a good one in my book. That gives you an idea of where the holes are and if you have repeating holes for the same reason, should point you to a way to improve the formula.
     
  13. Rambo13

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    I would be hesitant to throw out results because they are all meaningful. Us beating Arizona by ~30 and Arizona beating Buffalo by ~30 are equally important as a 3 point win in my opinion (as far as weighting them). I do agree that one game will skew too much but am expecting this to balance out as the season progresses. Although that is not a solution or ideal.
     
  14. devilonthetownhallroof

    devilonthetownhallroof 2007 TGG Fantasy Baseball League Champion

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    Maybe assign some sort of value for injuries. For example, a starting QB might be worth 5 points in the final score while a third WR might be worth 1.5 or 2 or something. Those are totally random numbers, but if you based it on something like WARP (used in baseball to measure a player's value over a replacement level player at that position) it might help.
     
  15. JetFanInMD

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    Are these power rankings intended to rank how a team has done or how a team will do? Past tense versus future tense. Should I be able to use it to predict?
     
  16. Rambo13

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    Past tense. Not intended to predict how teams will do agaisnt one another but may unintentionally as an attempt to quantify year to date performance.
     
  17. feelthepain

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    Miami is in the top 10 in both offense and defense, it would make sense they rank as high as they do. However a loss to an 0-4 Texans team and Miami could drop quickly.The Texans are the only team in the NFL the Dolphins have never beaten. Sunday will be a tough game for the Dolphins if they even think they have this game is in the bag because the Texans are 0-4, the Dolphins will lose it!!
     
  18. Antoni

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    I see one huge problem here.

    So lets say that Miami loses to Houston this week(not saying they will, but just for the sake of the argument), then Houston's rank will sky-rocket because they are the #29 and beat the #8. But what if your original algorithm for placing Miami at #8 was wrong, or just didn't have a big enough sample size(as is the case with Miami at 8, imo).

    The problem with your current formula, imo, is that it relies heavily on an infinite season and we only have 16 games + playoffs.
     
  19. Rambo13

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    I'm not familiar with WARP. I'll have to look into that.
    thanks
     
  20. Rambo13

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    Miami seemed to be a fluke anomaly before last weeks game as a 1-2 top 10 team but maybe the formula is accurate because they backed it up by beating SD and their loss to us was negligible in the rankings.
     

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