http://www.nfl.com/draft/history/fulldraft?teamId=3430&type=team I was in a thread in the Draft forum discussing our draft slot when I came across this link. Take a look at our drafts dating back to 2000 and let it soak in for a minute or two just how badly we have drafted, especially on the offensive side of the ball. The last legitimate offensive playmaker we drafted was Santana Moss. In 2001. 2001. 2001. Think back to what you were doing when 9/11 happened. How long ago does that seem? Personally I was in middle school and am now a full time working stiff. The last time we drafted a legitimate offensive playmaker was 11 YEARS AGO (and he's on a different team now). I don't want to hear about Keller either, he's a huge pussy and drops too many passes for me to feel like we really got our money's worth with him. And we wonder why our offense is borderline tortuous to watch? We need some serious overhaul in our personnel scouting department. Tanny is probably going to be gone, great, but the problem goes far deeper than that. I could have thrown darts at a draft board and had better success than our personnel department lately. Two things are mind boggling to me: 1) How few picks we have used on early round, elite offensive talent. 2) How badly we have missed when we DO decide to use an early pick on a potential playmaker (QB, RB, WR, TE) Maybe this wasn't thread worthy and I'm just beating a dead horse, but the whole Santana Moss-9/11 connection was just unbelievable to me.
I would suggest throwing the darts at the personnel department. At least someone would get the point.
Kerley isn't even as good as cotchery was, and j-co wasn't a playmaker in the sense that the op is talking about. Good post op. Sent from my PC36100 using Tapatalk 2
U ought to go back to the 69 draft & U will see how horrible we drafted since them which is why we have been a losing team for the last 44 years :sad:
I like Kerley, he's good for what he does. I just think we've drafted SO badly offensively that people butter up Kerley a little more than they should because hes one of the bright spots among many disgraces. He had 700 yards and 2 td's this season. He's good, but he's not an elite talent by any stretch of the imagination. I'm talking Andre Johnson, Calvin Johnson, Steve Smith, LaSean McCoy, CJ Spiller-type players.
You're going to use a RB who has never rushed for over 650 yards in a season and has made his living as a return man as an example of us drafting an offensive playmaker? lol Regardless, he's not even on our team anymore which says something about us.
I think before he got hurt he was setting himself to be the starting rb for us and had shown bigtime game changing ability. Besides he was one of the best special team players for the last 7 years or so
In 96 we have the first pick in the 1st and 2nd. We take Keyshawn Johnson and Alex Van Dyke. Marvin Harrison goes later, and T.O. in the 3rd. Fauk
Leon was an explosive playmaker for us ... I think you're forgetting he was a dual threat. I mean he wasn't a dominant player but he was an explosive offensive weapon that could take it to the house on any given play. I also think he was under used. He's no longer on the team because of a serious injury and a douchebag agent.
Alright for a minute let's just say you're 100% correct. We traded him for a 5th round pick. This team is retarded when it comes to offensive personnel decisions which was the main point of this thread. I don't want to get caught up arguing about whether individual players we drafted were elite or not because the very fact that we argue about them should show you they are not the type of players I'm referring to when I say "elite offensive playmakers". Do you see anyone arguing that Calvin Johnson and Adrian Peterson are beasts? No, because it's obvious because they are. Look at CJ Spiller, you only have to watch one game to say "Wow, this guy is special". You don't have to go picking through his career to find seasons/games/circumstances that support your argument, you just know it when you see it. I can't remember the last time I saw "it" on the Jets.
With a better QB, he could have over 1000 yards and 5-6 touchdowns. But yeah, I know what you mean. I hope Stephen Hill can turn a corner a bit next season.
You kidding? Our history is littered with stupid moves like that. O'Brien instead of Marino, Blair Thomas instead of Emmitt Smith (and also Junior Seau and Cortez Kennedy, who went directly after Thomas, though they played different positions), Al Toon instead of Jerry Rice (though Toon turned out to be a great Jet but still......Jerry Rice), Lageman ahead of Wayne Martin, Steve Atwater (again a different position) and several other good players in that draft, Dave Cadigan ahead of a slew of HOFs: Michael Irvin, Randy McDaniel, Thurman Thomas, and several others..................the list goes on. Meanwhile since the Jets never draft superstars like that, it's hard to look at spots where they had a guy drop to them when others selected more stupidly.
What prompted the draft to go only 7rds from the 12 rds it used to be? Expansion? The NFL is too diluted. Scale back 4 teams: Jacksonville, Arizona, Carolina, and Buffalo and it would be a better league.
Hill certainly has many of the tools needed but I have a couple HUGE concerns with him. 1) BradwaySux brought this up once and I remember it so well because I was thinking the exact same thing. Stephen Hill is not near the athlete most people think he is. Don't get me wrong, his measurables are all amazing. Jumping ability, size, speed, he's got it all. The thing is, he is not a fluid athlete AT ALL. He's athletic like Gholston was athletic, not like JPP is athletic. When you watch a truly amazing athlete like JPP play he's amazing not only because of what he can do but the balance and coordination with which he does it. This guy can bend at angles that most near-300lb human beings shouldn't even come close to while maintaining his speed. Von Miller, Aldon Smith, and AJ Green are other good examples. Brandon Lloyd as well. 2) Way more obviously, he can't catch the fucking ball and he's a WR. He has some of the most unreliable hands I've seen on a wideout in recent memory and I'm not sure how fixable that is. That's not even to mention that he may be very injury prone.
They traded him for whatever they could get coming off a leg broken in two spots in a contract year when his agent was making crazy demands. This is a poor example of the Jets making retarded decisions IMO. I think they did the best they could with that. You said "legitimate offensive playmaker" not "elite offensive playmaker". If you're talking about elite offensive playmakers, Santana Moss shouldn't be your example of the last one the Jets took. Who was the last elite offensive playmaker the Jets took?
