https://nypost.com/2023/11/07/sport...y-jets-problem-and-some-fans-are-blind-to-it/ The Jets lost to the Chargers 27-6 on Monday night in a game where they failed to reach the end zone and turned the ball over three times. Here are some thoughts and observations from the game: 1. I’m shocked at how many Zach Wilson defenders I am seeing on Tuesday morning. There has been this weird phenomenon among some Jets fans trying to twist themselves into a pretzel defending Wilson. The latest version is pointing to other issues on the offense and excusing Wilson because of them. Yes, the offensive line did not play well. Yes, Nathaniel Hackett is a terrible play-caller. Yes, Allen Lazard and others dropped too many passes. Yes, they committed too many penalties. All of this can be true and Wilson can still be problem No. 1 with this team. The quarterback’s job is to get the team into the end zone. Wilson simply can’t do it. Some of the sacks were on him. He does not feel the pocket collapsing around him. He can’t see the field. He is unable to cover up any of the Jets’ issues. Great quarterbacks hide a team’s warts. Bad quarterbacks expose them. So, all of those issues you see with the offense right now are magnified because Wilson can’t make plays to overcome any of them. The Jets offense is broken. The hope that Wilson gave Jets fans against the Chiefs is a memory. It is hard to figure out how the Jets will fix this with Wilson at quarterback.
mahomes is a great QB (considered the best in the NFL currently by most people) I watched him threw 2 picks and fail to score a TD in a 9-17 loss to a team that miami dropped 70 on. Nobody blamed mahomes. they blamed his shit WRs. the problem is reputation preceding reality it's like when a player who used to be really good gets a pro bowl nod off name rather then a younger no name yet player who was better. Zach has a stink on him from being the 2OA pick and being garbage tier his 1st 2 seasons. if tim boyle came in and played the way zach is right now nobody would bat an eye or blame him. same way if josh allen goes out and throws 4 INTs and fumbles in a game where they lose by 6 in OT nobody bats an eye. becuase hsi name carries weight due to his past. people can't look at a game in a bubble by itself and break it down, or they don't want to because it takes time and effort and it's easy to just blame the stinky name for everything. the reality is the offense is currently hampered by too many injuries and fundamentally broken and it's no 1 persons fault. sure zach can get some blame, he's far from perfect and still playing like a below average QB but sadly thats an improvement for him. but lazard is having his worse year, players take turn making dumb mistakes and key moments (which falls on coaching as well as the player) playcalling hasn't been great, the o-line is in shambles after the injuries. still the D held the chargers to under 200 yards passing, and held ekler to under 50 yards rushing and the jets outgained the chargers, had the ball for 10 mins longer, and still managed to lose by 20 points. this was a team effort loss of killing ourselves over and over and there is more to fix this offense then subbing out zach which won't help anything due to our current options
Improvement for Zach was a month ago, now he's regressed again. He of course is not the only reason the offense sucks, but his deficiencies spiderweb out and affect everything. Including morale, which could be half the reasons for the mental errors. I think you are underestimating just how poorly he's played the last couple of weeks. And the exception to the rule for Mahomes does not prove any point about Zach who has no exception to his rules.
Dude you’re ridiculous. Ridiculous. If Tim Boyle played like this we wouldn’t kill him the way we do with Zach, you’re right. He’d be long gone by now. 6 of 8 sacks yesterday occurred after 4 seconds. Using bad games from Mahomes or Allen as your support? Are you kidding? Has Zach won a SB? An MVP? Of course he doesn’t get the benefit of the doubt. Zach has showed no improvement. He came into the league playing like the worst QB in the league and he’s currently playing like the worst QB in the league. Zach has no awareness, no football IQ, no leadership qualities, and a metric shit ton of physical flaws in mechanics. He’s an awful player that is getting undeserved opportunity after opportunity. We absolutely should have been looking for a replacement before the deadline, and we didn’t because this delusional FO refuses to take ownership of their shitty decisions.
No, he’s never ever been good. There’s no regression, there’s no improvement. The kid sucks . Monumentally sucks.
Offenses are predicated on timing. This quarterback has no sense of that. He has to wait until he sees they are open before he throws it and the whole thing ends up broken just get a decisive QB that gets the ball out quickly and miraculously some of these receivers and O-linemen will look better
You seem like a pretty knowledgeable guy. You're ready to pin all of that on the offensive line? No question it wasn't good, but his hesitation and inability to get rid of the ball made it look much much worse.
No I’m not, he is 90% of the issue on offense. As bad as the OL looks to you, Zach had 4+ seconds to throw most of the night. If you take an avg QB and put him behind this OL with the weapons we we’re going to look completely competent and would be leading the division. You’re trying to subvert blame from Zach and you’re dead wrong. This kid still has no idea what he’s seeing.
Same personnel, flip QBs and put Herbert on the Jets last night vs. Wilson and the Chargers and the Jets win easy. Remember that was the league's worst pass defense Zach Wilson failed miserably against last night. It doesn't get easier.
Not even Herbert. Put Josh Dobbs, Brissett, Darnold, Mayfield, Howell….. we win running away. Zach is not part of the problem. He IS the problem.
doesn't work like that. example the play is set for the ball to get out at 2.5 seconds. he gets pressure at 2 seconds and has to bail. now he missed that window at 2.5 due to pressure. he scrames around for 4 seconds and throws it away. it looks like TTT was 6 seconds but really pressure disrupted the whole play. I seen it on the big throw to GW (and several other times) interior pressure ruining the play before it could devlop. he just wasn't sacked yet. on the GW throw he was open at the right time but zach had to bail, brought time and GW worked back to him and zach hit him for a big gain. the TTT was above 5 seconds but pressure was in under 2 seconds. the times he did try to hang in there for the extra half second with pressure on him, his arm got hit while throwing causing an incomplete and even a fumble 1 time.
I think part of the problem is that he has no pocket presence. Zero. None. Every QB experienced pressure - obviously some more than others and the offensive line has been bottom tier this year. But it hasn’t been insurmountable pressure in any game except realistically the Giants game. Modern day QB’s have to deal with pressure, move around the pocket, break a tackle or outrun guys. They also need to sense pressure pre and post snap. So I usually think Sal & Tierney make a lot of emotional homer points but they made a good point today - we need to put someone else in to see if Wilson truly is the problem and if he’s just missing things.
yeah for sure. Sad cause none of us would say the names you listed are "good" and we ultimately aren't gonna bang the table for any of them in particular. But hell Zach Wilson is so bad I'd take any of em. so tired of watching poor QB play
So true. And hopefully they don't wait until the Jets are eliminated from anything meaningful when they do that
Never say NY Post and Pulitzer in the same sentence. Zach is the main problem. This team was designed for Aaron Rodgers.
Perhaps when Zach Wilson shows the same potential upside that Patrick Mahomes does, fans will give him the same benefit of the doubt?
