You know, having been a fan of this team for nearly 40 years, I think that it makes me a stake-holder, even if it’s only just a small one, with a tiny bit of purchasing power. So I ask, do we have the power to change this team as fans? I believe we may have the power to make changes. While we may not be part owner like Packers fans, I think there could be a case made that those that purchase PSLs should legally have say in the decision-making process about how this team functions. This could include a psl-owner rep for who is drafted, who is hired as coach, and certainly enough say to ensure the owner is essentially out of position to ever sabotage a potentially winning Jets season or ever put one player over the careers of those who lay their bodies on the line for the Green and White. The owner will destroy his brand without us, and will be forced to sell. Or he will work with the fans. Boycotting a product can be effective, but only if you have the purchase power. Which means NY fans or local area fans would have to use their strength. 10 years ago, I would not have suggested this decision because over the years, the loudest NY Jets fans are not the ones you would typically want having a say in the direction of the franchise. That said, there are many intelligent, savvy fans who care about this team and would see their lives greatly improved if they had a say and/ or knew that the owner, who ever it is, will not get in the way of a season, or draft picks, again. I think we could, starting today, get Jets fans to stop watching the games this season. PSL owners should set up a plan to form a legal group of some kind. The group would have to have an incorporated structure, which is easy enough once everyone agrees to the goals of the plan. Once enough fans get on board supporting the PSL group’s efforts, Johnson will not have a choice. I understand getting people to get together for anything is hard, but yet this team is obviously going to either take up a lot of your time or not. Why not make it worth the investment?
That’d be cool. But I don’t think 40,000 average Joe’s have a chance to combat the legal teams of two billionaires (the Giants would get in on the defense too). And I’m sure the legal argument gets blown to pieces because you’re buying a PSL for a stadium, not for a team.
The Jets may be extremely stupid about football, but when it comes to things like that, the NFL is just way too smart. We have absolutely no chance to do anything like that. Other than walk away, which would cost a lot of people a lot of money. How do I know this? Because I had PSLs at one time and tried not to buy season tickets for one season, which I have the right to do and they have the right to accept or refuse. They refused, threatened to keep my PSLs, I told him to shove the PSL's up their asses. I haven't been back to the stadium since. If we can't even take the gun out of our faces long enough not to buy season tickets for a year, we aren't getting any kind of say what saying what goes on.
The only thing we can do is to stop contributing financially. This mess shouldn't be supported. Stop buying tickets, merch, anything Jets-related.
I doubt there's anything the PSL owners could do, other than not renewing when the next opportunity to do so arises. The only way this changes is for fans to not go to the games. A stadium that's half empty and full or more opposing fans than Jets fans on a consistent basis is the only way we have any way to make an impact on this.
The in person experience accounts for a smaller portion of the revenue. Most of what they get comes from the tv rights.
I don't see the novelty of going to a football game, it seems the entire product is easier to digest watching on TV. Basketball and baseball and much easier to watch in person and not miss anything. That being said, yes just don't go. Even if I loved football, the Jets product is such garbage I would still pass. Most games are total snoozefests. Force the NFL to get involved.
That's true, but the optics of an empty stadium or a stadium where the opposing fans significantly outnumber fans of the home team would resonate considerably with the home audience. Imagine watching it on TV when they do those shots of the stadium when coming back from a commercial, and instead of the usual packed stadium, the TV audience saw a bunch of empty seats. That would make an impact.
We have been terrible for over 10 years. For the most part what you’re seeing in the stadium when it’s this awful is fans of the other team, some day tripper fans, and a handful of diehard season ticket holders. Season ticket holder by and large stopped attending en mass long ago. Rodgers brought them back for a bit, but most attendants of the game are second hand market buyers. My point is the stadium has been as empty as it’s gonna get. What they could do is attend and embarrass the ownership. I still recall the sex dolls and signs, paper bags, fires in the upper deck.
That could work. Don't feel like I've seen the old paper bags in a while. Then again, Woody would probably see them as a money making venture and start selling officially licensed "just end the season" paper bags on the team's website.
I smell a revolution brewing..yes The Jets are a laughing stock...we need to look like one too I wouldn't go if Rogers is starting ..theres no line to protect him anyways
At least we should be getting plenty of RTP calls with this O-line and Rodgers playing behind them. All of them together might eclipse the total yardage the offense has put up the rest of the season on its own.
The only legal snafu I see fans being able to leverage against the NFL is sports betting and the gigantic conflict of interest, and how it affects the product on the field.
I’m not willing to loose $8000.00 in PSL investment to Woody Johnson by walking away. The Jets legal team including the NFL represent substantial fire power and sustainability. The only way I see to Develop any leverage is in the court of public opinion. We need to create a JET FAN PETITION and send it to all the Media outlets including TV Radio Newspaper and Social Media…oh yeah and cc Woody Johnson, Roger Goodell, and all the other owners. Next file a class action suit suit against all the owners for violation of the Antitrust Laws.
As a veteran game-attender who has only reduced attending to maybe two or three per year since Covid, I do miss the camaraderie shared by the tailgate group which has now dwindled, and also just as important - seeing the same faces sitting around me during the games. We of course never knew first names, but the same folks were there week in week out. Known as "Mickey Shuler Guy", "Big Daddy" etc etc. I must've been "Radio Guy" since I always had a radio and many people would turn around to me for explanations of injuries, penalties, etc. I am glad to have had that "game day" experience week in week out for 34 seasons. I don't see it ever being that way again for anyone. What's crazy for me is that I now live 4 miles away and it seems more inconvenient than ever. (Getting a parking pass especially) I count the financial burden as an inconvenience. To your point, the consumers of pro football in the US has allowed it to become far too big for the owners to be affected by any consumer "revolt". The only possible relief could be a landmark legal case for consumer protection against the seat licenses theft that has occurred. The payment of the PSL was bad enough but the continued stranglehold they maintain to force you to keep buying no matter the price-hike is what needs to be challenged. I think Ralph Nader is dead, so good luck waiting for that.
Woody Johnson turns 77 in april. My advice would be just wait it out. Maybe the Mets owner with those deep pockets will purchase the team from the Johnson estate
It seems to me if you are contractually obligated to continue paying for the PSLs year by year, there are rights inherent with that purchase, which are really indisputable. The product itself is what you are paying for, and if the product sucks and you still feel obligated to pay for it because it a major part of your lifestyle and lifestyle choices, and the investment is a considerable percentage of your income, than I would say you have at the minimum a civil case for breach of something or other. I know that's not exactly how law works, but there are avenues and I wouldn't be scared of billionaires like Johnson. This dude is no threat to the fans or you as a fan. He can't stop what happens and it will look increasingly bad for him once people get the full picture of what is happening in that building. There are a lot of players and coaches that today are towing the company line because they want jobs elsewhere. But as the ass-whoopings keep coming, there will be changes made and this is the point when you will hear the truth come from their mouths. That is not ideal either, I want my team to be a place where players come to stay and want to be here. There are many many ways the fans can make a difference in this situation and I think we will start hearing from media personalities as well. My preference is that if we have to be the laughing stock as fans everyday, lets let the owner know who is the real problem and not shut up about it until he admits his mistakes and agrees to stay the hell out of decisions on the field for the rest of his tenure, and until he does sell to someone else. I am not saying the dude doesn't care about people or try, but he has been running this team into the ground and dragging 100 employees and hundreds of thousands of fans with him so he could sell training camp seats to watch Rodgers for a summer. I feel for the players, I really like this team.
Haha, You've been around a while. I'm sure you remember waiting out Leon Hess. Unfortunately this is not the easy answer.
What the consumer should be entitled to, is some type of refund, or payment back of their PSL money that essentially was a loan to the team that built the stadium. Or, a fixed ticket price guarantee for the fan until he decides to "cash-out". The time value of money theory tells us that even if the team refunded the PSL money 20 years laster, they've still benefitted greatly by essentially having an interest free loan. I think this is the basis of the argument.
