pro-football-reference's AV (Career Approximate Value)

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  1. talisaynon

    talisaynon Well-Known Member

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    I'm bored, so I was going through our drafts, draft years and other team's drafts to see how draft picks on average pan out.

    Our 2000 Draft was stacked:

    Code:
    Year 	Rnd  	Pick 	Name 	       Pos 	To 	AP1 	PB 	St 	CarAV 	G 
    2000 	1 	12 	Shaun Ellis 	  DE 	2010 	0 	2 	10 	[B]66[/B] 	170 	
    2000 	1 	13 	John Abraham 	  DE 	2010 	2 	4 	8 	[B]82[/B] 	
    2000 	1 	18 	Chad Pennington QB 	2010 	0 	0 	5 	[B]55[/B] 	89 	
    2000 	1 	27 	Anthony Becht 	  TE 	2009 	0 	0 	9 	[B]25[/B]    58 								
    2000 	3 	78 	Laveranues Coles  WR 	2009 	0 	1 	9 	[B]67[/B] 	153
    2000 	5 	143 	Windrell Hayes 	  WR 	2001 	0 	0 	0 	1 	9 			
    2000 	6 	179 	Tony Scott 	  DB 	2001 	0 	0 	0 	3 	23 		
    2000 	7 	218 	Richard Seals 	  DT 		0 	0 	
    If we didn't go through a coaching carousel (and if Chad stayed healthy) we could have won one with this class...

    Anyone find more value from another draft class?

    Edit:

    Feel free to peruse and create different scenarios guys:

    http://www.pro-football-reference.com/draft/

    use the PRE button on top to format the output, and use the CODE tags to get it all nice..
     
    #1 talisaynon, May 1, 2011
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  2. inSANITy

    inSANITy Banned

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    I mean this is a little skewed we had 4 first round picks
     
  3. steves850

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    How is it skewed? That was the draft. It's obviously not the average draft that's how it panned out.
     
  4. talisaynon

    talisaynon Well-Known Member

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    well here's the rest of the 1st round picks:

    Code:
    Rnd   Pick  Tm                      Pos   To AP1 PB St CarAV   G     Cmp     Att     Yds      TD     Int     Att     Yds      TD       Rec       Yds        TD Tkl Int    Sk                     College/Univ
    1        1 CLE       Courtney Brown  DE 2005   0  0  4    28  61                                                                                               156      19.0                       Penn State
    1        2 WAS      LaVar Arrington  LB 2006   0  3  5    46  84                                                                                               335   3  23.5                       Penn State
    1        3 WAS        Chris Samuels   T 2009   0  6  9    61 141                                                                                                 1                                    Alabama
    1        4 CIN        Peter Warrick  WR 2005   0  0  4    28  79                                              53     360       2       275      2991        18                                  Florida State
    1        5 BAL          Jamal Lewis  RB 2009   1  1  9    69 131                                            2542   10607      58       221      1879         4   2                                  Tennessee
    1        6 PHI          Corey Simon  DT 2007   0  1  6    47  95                                                                                               192      32.0                    Florida State
    1        7 ARI         Thomas Jones  RB 2010   0  1  8    61 164       1       1      -4       0       0    2525   10113      68       303      1980         3   3                                   Virginia
    1        8 PIT      Plaxico Burress  WR 2008   0  0  9    66 128                                               1      -7       0       505      7845        55                                 Michigan State
    1        9 CHI       Brian Urlacher  LB 2010   4  7 10   107 154       0       1       0       0       0                                 1        27         1 913  18  41.5                       New Mexico
    1       10 BAL        Travis Taylor  WR 2007   0  0  7    32 101                                              32     232       0       312      4017        22                                        Florida
    1       11 NYG            Ron Dayne  RB 2007   0  0  1    22  96                                             983    3722      28        57       340         0                                      Wisconsin
    1       12 NYJ          Shaun Ellis  DE 2010   0  2 10    66 170                                                                                               387   1  72.5                        Tennessee
    1       13 NYJ         John Abraham  DE 2010   2  4  8    82 144                                                                                               367   1 102.5                   South Carolina
    1       14 GNB         Bubba Franks  TE 2008   0  3  6    38 122       1       1      31       1       0                               262      2347        32   1                                 Miami (FL)
    1       15 DEN         Deltha ONeal  DB 2008   1  2  6    47 132                                               1       0       0         2         4         0 343  34   1.0                       California
    1       16 SFO      Julian Peterson  LB 2010   1  5  9    67 158                                                                                               599   8  51.5                   Michigan State
    1       17 OAK Sebastian Janikowski   K 2010   0  0 11     0 173                                                                                                                                Florida State
    1       18 NYJ      Chad Pennington  QB 2010   0  0  5    55  89    1632    2471   17823     102      64     180     465       7                                 1                                   Marshall
    1       19 SEA      Shaun Alexander  RB 2008   1  3  7    68 123                                            2187    9453     100       215      1520        12                                        Alabama
    1       20 DET     Stockar McDougle   T 2006   0  0  3    21  80                                                                                                                                     Oklahoma
    1       21 KAN     Sylvester Morris  WR 2000   0  0  1     6  15       1       1      31       0       0                                48       678         3                                  Jackson State
    1       22 SEA       Chris McIntosh   T 2001   0  0  1     7  24                                                                                                                                    Wisconsin
    1       23 CAR     Rashard Anderson  DB 2001   0  0  1     6  27                                                                                                54   1                          Jackson State
    1       24 SFO        Ahmed Plummer  DB 2005   0  0  5    24  70                                                                                               267  12                             Ohio State
    1       25 MIN          Chris Hovan  DT 2009   0  0 10    57 156                                                                                               308      22.0                   Boston College
    1       26 BUF         Erik Flowers  DE 2004   0  0  0     6  58                                                                                                31   1   5.0                    Arizona State
    1       27 NYJ        Anthony Becht  TE 2009   0  0  9    25 158                                                                       185      1511        21   3                              West Virginia
    1       28 IND           Rob Morris  LB 2007   0  0  4    26  99                                                                                               358   1   7.0                              BYU
    1       29 JAX        R. Jay Soward  WR 2000   0  0  0     2  13                                               3      28       0        14       154         1                                            USC
    1       30 TEN        Keith Bulluck  LB 2010   1  1  9    70 170                                                                                               790  21  18.0                         Syracuse
    1       31 STL       Trung Canidate  RB 2003   0  0  1    11  46                                             240    1095       7        32       260         1     
    Just eyeballing that list there are a lot of busts that couldn't have panned out....

    Imagine if we could have taken Urlacher..

    Urlacher/Shaun Ellis/Chad/Abraham...

    don't tell me we don't win one with that lineup..
     
  5. Cakes

    Cakes Mr. Knowledge 2010

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    In the '77 draft the Jets took Marvin Powell, Wesley Walker, Scott Dierking, Joe Klecko, Kevin Long, and Dan Alexander among others.
     
  6. talisaynon

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    Code:
    Year   Rnd Pick                      Pos   To AP1 PB St CarAV   G     Cmp     Att     Yds      TD     Int     Att     Yds      TD       Rec       Yds        TD Int    Sk                          College/Univ
    [B]1977     1    4        Marvin Powell   T 1987   3  5  9    80[/B] 133                                                                                                                                           USC
    [B]1977     2   33        Wesley Walker  WR 1989   1  2 11    73 [/B]154                                               6      35       0       438      8306        71                                      California
    1977     3   72        Tank Marshall  DT 1977   0  0  0     0   5                                                                                                                                      Texas AM
    [B]1977     4   90       Scott Dierking  RB 1984   0  0  4    29 110       0       [/B]1       0       0       0     734    2915      18       124      1028         5                                          Purdue
    1977     5  116         Perry Griggs  WR 1977   0  0  0     0   1                                                                                                                                              
    1977     5  129         Gary Gregory   T        0  0  0                                                                                                                                                  Baylor
    [B]1977     6  144           Joe Klecko  DT 1988   2  4  9    76 [/B]155                                                                                                    24.0                                Temple
    1977     7  168        Charlie White  RB 1978   0  0  0     2  20                                              61     193       1         4        36         1                                 Bethune-Cookman
    1977     7  171            Bob Grupp   P 1981   0  1  3     0  41       0       1       0       0       0       4     -33       0                                                                          Duke
    [B]1977     7  195           Kevin Long  RB 1981   0  0  1    22  [/B]73                                             574    2190      25        74       539         3                                  South Carolina
    [B]1977     8  200        Dan Alexander   G 1989   0  0 13    60 [/B]192                                                                                                                                           LSU
    1977     8  210          Ed Thompson  LB        0  0  0                                                                                                                                              Ohio State
    1977     9  227        Matt Robinson  QB 1982   0  0  1    13  69     244     523    3519      18      38      58     117       4                                                                       Georgia
    1977    10  256        John Hennessy  LB 1979   0  0  1     9  46                                                                                                                                      Michigan
    1977    11  307     Dave Butterfield  DB        0  0  0                                                                                                                                                Nebraska
    1977    12  312          Phil Gargis  RB        0  0  0                                                                                                                                                  Auburn
    1977    12  313          Dave Conrad   T        0  0  0                                                                                                                                                Maryland
    
    even though i don't know half the players, 1964 is our best draft according to AV..

    Code:
    Year   Rnd Pick                      Pos   To AP1 PB St CarAV   G     Cmp     Att     Yds      TD     Int     Att     Yds      TD       Rec       Yds        TD Int    Sk                          College/Univ
    1964     1    3           Matt Snell  RB 1972   1  3  6    47  87       1       3      26       0       1    1057    4285      24       193      1375         7                                      Ohio State
    1964     2   11           Lloyd Voss  DE 1972   0  0  7    39 123                                                                                                 1                                    Nebraska
    1964     3   19        Gerry Philbin  DE 1973   2  2  8    62 123                                                                                                 1                                     Buffalo
    1964     4   27            Jim Evans  WR 1965   0  0  0     2  21                                                                         9        80         0                                   Texas-El Paso
    1964     5   35            Ben McGee  DE 1972   0  2  8    56 120                                                                                                 1                               Jackson State
    1964     6   43          Ralph Baker  LB 1974   0  0 10    52 142                                                                                                19                                  Penn State
    1964     8   59         Steve Wright   T 1972   0  0  3    22 101                                                                                                                                       Alabama
    1964     9   67        Sherman Lewis  DB 1967   0  0  0     3  10                                                                                                                                Michigan State
    1964    10   75           Ken Bowman   C 1973   0  0  8    43 123                                                                                                                                     Wisconsin
    1964    11   83            Bob Lacey  WR 1964   0  0  0     1   1                                                                                                                                North Carolina
    1964    12   91         Rudy Johnson  HB 1966   0  0  0     4  20                                              25      60       1         8        70         0                                        Nebraska
    1964    13   99            Jeff Ware  LB        0  0  0                                                                                                                                              Pittsburgh
    1964    14  107       Charley Brooks   E        0  0  0                                                                                                                                                 Memphis
    1964    15  115       Herman Johnson  DB        0  0  0                                                                                                                                          Michigan State
    1964    16  123             Ray Popp  LB        0  0  0                                                                                                                                              Pittsburgh
    1964    17  131           Bob Lehman   G        0  0  0                                                                                                                                              Notre Dame
    1964    18  139           Bill Scott   G        0  0  0                                                                                                                                                 Memphis
    1964    19  147         Glen Condren  DT 1972   0  0  3    23  79                                                                                                                                      Oklahoma
    1964    20  155          Dick Shiner  QB 1974   0  0  2    20  99     354     736    4801      36      43      58     161       2                                                                      Maryland
    1964    21  163           Larry Hand  DE 1977   0  0 10    62 164                                                                                                 5                           Appalachian State
    1964    22  171      Will Radosevich   T        0  0  0                                                                                                                                                 Wyoming
    1964    23  179       Cornell Gordon  DB 1972   0  0  2    19  83                                                                                                14                           North Carolina AT
    1964    24  187           Mike Mayne   E        0  0  0                                                                                                                                                   Idaho
    1964    25  195          Jerry Rhome  QB 1971   0  0  0    10  71     139     280    1628       7      14      26      91       1                                                                         Tulsa
    1964    26  203          John Butler  FB        0  0  0                                                                                                                                         San Diego State
    
     
  7. Cakes

    Cakes Mr. Knowledge 2010

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    It's tough to look at the pre-1967 drafts because many players were getting drafted by teams in both leagues.

    Voss, McGee, Wright, Bowman, Lacey, R. Johnson, Ware, Brooks, H. Johnson, Popp, Lehman, Scott, Condren, Shiner, Hand, Radosevich, Mayne, Rhome, and Butler never played for the Jets.
     
  8. talisaynon

    talisaynon Well-Known Member

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    here's a list of the top 100 most valuable players on defense. (according to pro-football-reference's AV) the last 3 years.

    Code:
    For combined seasons, from 2008 to 2010, from 3rd to last to last season, played DT or DE or DL or ILB or OLB or LB or CB or S or DB, sorted by descending Approximate Value.
    Query Results
    
                                                                                     
                                                       Game  Game Misc Misc Misc Misc
    Rk                 Player From   To Draft  Tm  Lg     G    GS  Yrs   PB  AP1   AV
    1               Ray Lewis 2008 2010  1-26 RAV NFL    48    48    3    3    2   50
    2          James Harrison 2008 2010       PIT NFL    47    47    3    3    2   49
    [B]3          Darrelle Revis 2008 2010  1-14 NYJ NFL    45    45    3    3    2   48[/B]
    4             Jared Allen 2008 2010 4-126 MIN NFL    48    48    3    2    2   45
    5            Haloti Ngata 2008 2010  1-12 RAV NFL    46    44    3    2    1   45
    6          Julius Peppers 2008 2010   1-2 TOT NFL    48    46    3    3    1   45
    7          Patrick Willis 2008 2010  1-11 SFO NFL    47    47    3    3    2   45
    8                 Ed Reed 2008 2010  1-24 RAV NFL    38    38    3    3    2   42
    9           DeMarcus Ware 2008 2010  1-11 DAL NFL    48    47    3    3    2   42
    10         Kevin Williams 2008 2010   1-9 MIN NFL    48    48    3    3    2   42
    11        Charles Woodson 2008 2010   1-4 GNB NFL    48    48    3    3    1   41
    12             Jon Beason 2008 2010  1-25 CAR NFL    48    48    3    3    1   40
    13        Nnamdi Asomugha 2008 2010  1-31 RAI NFL    45    45    3    3    2   39
    14            Justin Tuck 2008 2010  3-74 NYG NFL    48    47    3    2    1   39
    15         LaMarr Woodley 2008 2010  2-46 PIT NFL    47    47    3    1    0   39
    16           John Abraham 2008 2010  1-13 ATL NFL    47    44    3    1    1   38
    17            Jay Ratliff 2008 2010 7-224 DAL NFL    48    48    3    3    1   37
    18          Troy Polamalu 2008 2010  1-16 PIT NFL    35    35    3    2    2   36
    19           Nick Collins 2008 2010  2-51 GNB NFL    48    48    3    3    0   34
    20          James Farrior 2008 2010   1-8 PIT NFL    48    48    3    1    0   34
                                                      Games Games Misc Misc Misc Misc
    Rk                 Player From   To Draft  Tm  Lg     G    GS  Yrs   PB  AP1   AV
    21          Asante Samuel 2008 2010 4-120 PHI NFL    42    41    3    3    0   34
    22          Terrell Suggs 2008 2010  1-10 RAV NFL    45    45    3    2    0   34
    [B]23           David Harris 2008 2010  2-47 NYJ NFL    43    43    3    0    0   33[/B]
    24          Adrian Wilson 2008 2010  3-64 CRD NFL    47    46    3    3    1   33
    25           Lance Briggs 2008 2010  3-68 CHI NFL    46    46    3    3    0   32
    26           Ronde Barber 2008 2010  3-66 TAM NFL    48    48    3    1    0   31
    27             Trent Cole 2008 2010 5-146 PHI NFL    47    47    3    1    0   31
    28      Cortland Finnegan 2008 2010 7-215 OTI NFL    45    45    3    1    1   31
    29         Dwight Freeney 2008 2010  1-11 CLT NFL    45    39    3    3    1   31
    30         Quintin Mikell 2008 2010       PHI NFL    47    47    3    1    0   31
    31        Darnell Dockett 2008 2010  3-64 CRD NFL    47    47    3    2    0   30
    32        London Fletcher 2008 2010       WAS NFL    48    48    3    2    0   30
    33          Clay Matthews 2009 2010  1-26 GNB NFL    31    28    2    2    1   30
    34             Jerod Mayo 2008 2010  1-10 NWE NFL    45    44    3    1    1   30
    35          Vince Wilfork 2008 2010  1-21 NWE NFL    45    45    3    2    0   30
    36              Leon Hall 2008 2010  1-18 CIN NFL    48    48    3    0    0   29
    37         Shaun Phillips 2008 2010  4-98 SDG NFL    48    48    3    1    0   29
    38           Justin Smith 2008 2010   1-4 SFO NFL    48    48    3    2    0   29
    39         Jonathan Vilma 2008 2010  1-12 NOR NFL    47    47    3    2    0   29
    40       Antoine Winfield 2008 2010  1-23 MIN NFL    42    41    3    3    0   29
                                                      Games Games Misc Misc Misc Misc
    Rk                 Player From   To Draft  Tm  Lg     G    GS  Yrs   PB  AP1   AV
    [B]41            Shaun Ellis 2008 2010  1-12 NYJ NFL    46    46    3    1    0   28[/B]
    42          Robert Mathis 2008 2010 5-138 CLT NFL    45    27    3    3    0   28
    [B]43             Bart Scott 2008 2010       TOT NFL    48    48    3    0    0   28[/B]
    44          Kyle Williams 2008 2010 5-134 BUF NFL    46    46    3    1    0   28
    45            Calvin Pace 2008 2010  1-18 NYJ NFL    40    39    3    0    0   27
    [B]46         Darren Sharper 2008 2010  2-60 TOT NFL    38    31    3    1    1   [/B]27
    47          Brian Dawkins 2008 2010  2-61 TOT NFL    43    43    3    2    0   26
    48     Albert Haynesworth 2008 2010  1-15 TOT NFL    34    26    3    1    1   26
    49         Jarret Johnson 2008 2010 4-109 RAV NFL    48    48    3    0    0   26
    50            Dhani Jones 2008 2010 6-177 CIN NFL    48    48    3    0    0   26
    [B]51           Bryan Thomas 2008 2010  1-22 NYJ NFL    48    41    3    0    0   [/B]26
    52            Eric Weddle 2008 2010  2-37 SDG NFL    45    45    3    0    0   26
    53     Jonathan Babineaux 2008 2010  2-59 ATL NFL    47    47    3    0    0   25
    54          Chad Greenway 2008 2010  1-17 MIN NFL    48    47    3    0    0   25
    55        Michael Griffin 2008 2010  1-19 OTI NFL    48    47    3    1    0   25
    56           Chris Harris 2008 2010 6-181 TOT NFL    45    45    3    0    0   25
    57           Chris Kelsay 2008 2010  2-48 BUF NFL    48    48    3    0    0   25
    58          Curtis Lofton 2008 2010  2-37 ATL NFL    48    47    3    0    0   25
    59    Brandon Meriweather 2008 2010  1-24 NWE NFL    48    40    3    2    0   25
    60             Will Smith 2008 2010  1-18 NOR NFL    47    47    3    0    0   25
                                                      Games Games Misc Misc Misc Misc
    Rk                 Player From   To Draft  Tm  Lg     G    GS  Yrs   PB  AP1   AV
    61         Mario Williams 2008 2010   1-1 HTX NFL    45    45    3    2    0   25
    62             Alex Brown 2008 2010 4-104 TOT NFL    48    48    3    0    0   24
    63          Casey Hampton 2008 2010  1-19 PIT NFL    44    43    3    1    0   24
    64           Bradie James 2008 2010 4-103 DAL NFL    48    48    3    0    0   24
    65           Brett Keisel 2008 2010 7-242 PIT NFL    36    36    3    1    0   24
    66            Joey Porter 2008 2010  3-73 TOT NFL    44    44    3    1    0   24
    67             Ike Taylor 2008 2010 4-125 PIT NFL    48    47    3    0    0   24
    68           Pat Williams 2008 2010       MIN NFL    45    45    3    1    0   24
    69            Ray Edwards 2008 2010 4-127 MIN NFL    45    45    3    0    0   23
    70        Robert Geathers 2008 2010 4-117 CIN NFL    42    42    3    0    0   23
    71              A.J. Hawk 2008 2010   1-5 GNB NFL    48    45    3    0    0   23
    72           Manny Lawson 2008 2010  1-22 SFO NFL    46    42    3    0    0   23
    73         Rocky McIntosh 2008 2010  2-35 WAS NFL    47    46    3    0    0   23
    74           Barrett Ruud 2008 2010  2-36 TAM NFL    48    48    3    0    0   23
    75        Richard Seymour 2008 2010   1-6 TOT NFL    44    44    3    1    0   23
    76          Marcus Stroud 2008 2010  1-13 BUF NFL    46    45    3    0    0   23
    77         Brian Urlacher 2008 2010   1-9 CHI NFL    33    33    3    1    0   23
    78       Kamerion Wimbley 2008 2010  1-13 TOT NFL    47    47    3    0    0   23
    79          Tyler Brayton 2008 2010  1-32 CAR NFL    46    44    3    0    0   22
    80           Andre Carter 2008 2010   1-7 WAS NFL    48    35    3    0    0   22
                                                      Games Games Misc Misc Misc Misc
    Rk                 Player From   To Draft  Tm  Lg     G    GS  Yrs   PB  AP1   AV
    81             Ryan Clark 2008 2010       PIT NFL    45    44    3    0    0   22
    82          Karlos Dansby 2008 2010  2-33 TOT NFL    46    45    3    0    0   22
    83           Glenn Dorsey 2008 2010   1-5 KAN NFL    47    46    3    0    0   22
    84       Aubrayo Franklin 2008 2010 5-146 SFO NFL    48    46    3    0    0   22
    85             Tamba Hali 2008 2010  1-20 KAN NFL    47    47    3    0    0   22
    86          DeAngelo Hall 2008 2010   1-8 TOT NFL    44    40    3    1    0   22
    87         Parys Haralson 2008 2010 5-140 SFO NFL    47    41    3    0    0   22
    88           Roman Harper 2008 2010  2-43 NOR NFL    46    46    3    2    0   22
    89             Chris Hope 2008 2010  3-94 OTI NFL    48    48    3    1    0   22
    90         Mike Patterson 2008 2010  1-31 PHI NFL    47    46    3    0    0   22
    91         Paul Posluszny 2008 2010  2-34 BUF NFL    42    42    3    0    0   22
    [B]92           Kerry Rhodes 2008 2010 4-123 TOT NFL    48    46    3    0    0   [/B]22
    93           Antrel Rolle 2008 2010   1-8 TOT NFL    47    47    3    2    0   22
    94           Takeo Spikes 2008 2010  1-13 SFO NFL    47    44    3    0    0   22
    95       Lawrence Timmons 2008 2010  1-15 PIT NFL    46    30    3    0    0   22
    96        Stephen Tulloch 2008 2010 4-116 OTI NFL    48    41    3    0    0   22
    97           Champ Bailey 2008 2010   1-7 DEN NFL    40    40    3    2    0   21
    98         Keith Brooking 2008 2010  1-12 TOT NFL    48    46    3    0    0   21
    99          Sheldon Brown 2008 2010  2-59 TOT NFL    48    47    3    0    0   21
    100            Tony Brown 2008 2010       OTI NFL    41    41    3    0    0   21
    
    
    Bryan Thomas at 51 and Kerry Rhodes at 92. lol.

    Bit surprising, huh?
     

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