And they will deem Vernon Davis the BAP 1. Texans - RB Reggie Bush 2. Saints - DE Mario Williams 3. Titans - Leinart, Cutler or Young That's how I see the first three falling off the board, which QB at #3 remains to be seen, but if it falls this way I believe Tangini will deem Duke Davis the BAP at #4 and take him For those who are vehemently opposed to the idea of a TE that high, not matter how awesome, I think you better warm to the idea sometime this week or brace yourself for a disappointment come draft day And for those who like the idea of taking a freakish talent who has a real chance to be a very special player, if that's a TE so be it, I think it may go down exactly that way I Just don't think Brick ot any of the QB's will Grade AS HIGH as Davis ... maybe Hawk, that's possible, but I don't think the others will ... so I think it's Davis, with Hawk as the darkhorse JMO
If the draft starts out like that I think that they would go with Hawk or D'Brick. I just don't see them taking Davis even though he is a freak.
This worries me because I deeply trust your draft analysis, Jabba. If D'Brickashaw Ferguson and one of Matt Leinart/Vince Young/Jay Cutler is on the board and we take a tight end I will really lose faith in the Jets front office. Vernon Davis is not the best player out those 4. He's in my opinion behind Ferguson, Leinart and Young. Add to that the fact that we are in no need of a tight end, but we're desperate to take an offensive lineman or quarterback. It's very troubling.
I doubt that... I don't know what makes you think they'll take Davis... If it wasn't for 4.38 40-time and his good bench press stats, you would DEFINATLEY not be asking for him. He wasn't freakishly good in college, just at the combine. I'm not saying he wasn't a good college player, because he was. He's too much of a workout warrior for me. And plus, if the F.O. had any intention of drafting a TE, they wouldn't have resigned Chris Baker or kept Doug Jolley/Joel Dreessen.
Agreed. He's a workout warrior and hasn't proven that he's a superstar on the field like Ferguson and Hawk have. I do believe Davis is going to grow into the #3 TE in this league (behind Gates and Gonzalez) but he's a little risky and he can't block for shit. Hawk would be the most complete player on the board and would be the BPA... but Ferg will be made the pick because he fills a need with great value (although I'm not a fan of the pick due to his run blocking ability).
Definatley... He's a workout warrior and not too much more. He hasn't proven he's going to be anything great in the NFL along the lines of Antonio Gates and Tony Gonzalez. However, he could be very good all around Tight End. But I'm not a believer and I would be surprised if he ever becomes a Top 5 TE.
I've been saying for the past WEEK now that theyll take BPA, REGARDLESS OF POSITION...check my post history. Ive also ranked Davis 4th on my draft board. Here was my draft board at pick 4...it still hasnt changed... 1- RB Reggie Bush 2- QB Matt Leinart 3- DE Mario Williams 4- TE Vernon Davis I just want credit for it when it happens :beer:
Well many Jet fans, including myself, will lose all trust in the FO because TE and WR are our 2 positions where we have good players. We need everything else very badly, and guys like D'Brick and Hawk will fill our needs. Don't take too much credit for it because I'm saying it could very well happen, but as I said he's the biggest boom or bust prospect in the top 10 (give or take a Vince Young) and I don't think the new regime will take a gamble on him at 4. Trading down is still the best option IMO where we can get Bunkley or Justice and acquire an additional 1st day pick.
Well thats where we differ. Coles is our only decent receiver, but has put up marginal #1 receiver numbers. But its tough to give him an accurate assessment, since hes had no decent QB. However...theres NO depth behind him. The rest of the receivers may be best suited to the slot; for the past two years McCareins has shown he lacks the mental capacity to play the #2 As for TE, puh-leeze. We have Jolley, who cant catch OR block, and Baker, an inconsistent player who disappears for LONG stretches of time. Hes moderately athletic but cant utilize his athleticism to get open, not to mention hes dropped a few too many balls for my liking. Hes no boom prospect...Davis has NO holes in his game whatsoever. Not even his blocking, theres no doubt in my mind he can be a better blocker than Baker. We can use him on offense the way we would have used Mario on defense...moving him around, creating matchup problems, exploiting the opposing team's weaknesses, etc. Hes much more than "just a TE"...hes the center of the passing game. Could we trade down? Perhaps...but I dont predict trades. Would that be the better move? Perhaps...but thats not the point. The point is, if we stay at 4, who will we choose? Its between a) Davis, the TE that can potentially revolutionize the position and take over a game, and be the center of our passing game, b) Ferguson, the stunning pass blocker who, YET, needs work on his run blocking and has much work to do in his game, or c) Hawk, a player that cannot play OLB in a 34. He could play ILB, but is it worth addressing ILB with another top 15 pick when we just did a few years ago? If that were the case, I do not think we wouldve addressed the position with Kassell during the offseason. He will no doubt be a good player, but how will he fit? Though it is a possibility that he is selected, because we are already absolutely cluttered after the position, I rate him after Davis (but only marginally so)
1028....I really believe that Davis will be given strong consideration at #4. Here's my Final Mock from over a week ago...http://forums.theganggreen.com/showthread.php?t=4467 My scenario was Bush, Mario and Leinart ...1,2, & 3....That leaves us D'Brick, Hawk or Davis. I believe it will be a decision between Hawk & Davis and I would be thrilled with either player. The Jets's need a playmaker on Offense and Schott would love a TE like Davis. Davis is so much more than a TE. he can be lined up as a WR or HB. Hawk is a Tangini type of player also, that will dominate. IMO, Davis or Hawk will be the pick. I don't see the Jets's using such a high pick on an OT.
I know, youre one of the postes here who predicted it also :beer: Again I have nothing against Hawk, but we will have to clear some roster space for him, and I do not think we wouldve signed Kassell if we were looking at him (we now have 4 above average starter capable ILBs on the defense). But if they have him rated high enough, of course they will have no qualms about making room for him, because, though we could manage fantastically at the position, there is really no comparison with Barton and Hawk. I guess its sort of similar to NO taking Williams with Grant and Smith already on the roster...
Davis scares me. If you look at his stats, he only had 871 yards and 6 TDs last year. He had about 4 games where he was completely unstoppable, but for the rest of those games he was pretty much shut down against COLLEGE LINEBACKERS. I know he had great workouts and all, but he really didn't produce on the field like Hawk, Brick, Mario, Leinart, Young, Bush, etc. did. that said... I don't want Davis, but I have said over and over again that I just want a playmaker, whether on defense or offense, but preferably offense. Our WR corp isn't that good, but teams with great TEs make up for that by utilizing the TE--look at the Chiefs, Chargers, Giants, Falcons, Cowboys before TO, none of them had above average recieving corps. They did use the TE, though, and that made up for it. I don't want Davis because we have so many holes to fill, and too be honest I never heard too much about him in college, but I heard about Leinart, Bush, Hawk, Brick, Mario, etc etc. So instead of thinking about it as us picking a tight end first round, I think of it as picking the best available offensive weapon. I'd still rather have Brick, Hawk, Mario, or Leinart, because they fill bigger needs, but if Davis is as good as advertised our entire offense will be A LOT better.
I can understand the anti-Davis at #4 sentiment. However the claims that he is nothing more than a workout warrior is just unfair IMO. Last year Davis was 2nd in the ACC in receiving yards, 4th in catches, 4th in yards per catch and tied for 3rd in touchdowns. It should also be noted that he had significantly more yards as a junior than Winslow or Shockey ever did at Miami.
If we draft Davis at #4 instead of Hawk or D'Brick I am going to start watching womens softball with the sound on.
And who said Shockey or Winslow were worth high picks? Vernon Davis was the only offensive target while Shockey/Winslow had to share the ball with great WRs such as Andre Johnson and great RBs such as Clinton Portis. When you're the vocal point of a college offense you're going to put up huge numbers no matter how good or bad you are. Vernon Davis is going to be a good player in this league but he is not worthy of a top 5 pick and will never be close to Gates/Gonzalez in receiving ability. Davis will settle himself in at 4... but really at this point whoever we draft at 4 I'm going to be happy with. We've gone from Deangelo to D'Brick to Mario to Cutler to Davis to D'Brick to Mario to Leinart and ugh! Anybody realize that none of these guys are a good fit? Trade down to Oakland for a 2nd rounder, pick up Bunkley or Ngata to be the monster in the middle of our 3-4 defense and then use the other 5 (including the 1 in the trade) 1st day picks to fill our needs on the OL and DL.
I honestly don't want Davis at #4. I just felt the one's that called Davis a workout warrior who hasn't done anything are absolutely wrong.
I'm with you..... my latest and last mock has us taking Davis at 4. I think like Jabba said , those who don't like the Davis pick better get used to idea of us taking him. He and Hawk are the only players projected in the top 7 we have shown no intrest in. That tells me our FO will draft one of those 2 and you and myself will be happier than pigs in shit....
Rich.....When I made my mock about 10 days ago, I was trying to think like Tangini. As good as D'brick is, it just doesn't make sense that our new Front Office would pass on Hawk or Davis. Davis and Hawk are playmakers that make a difference. IMO, after Bush & Mario.....Davis (offense) & Hawk (defense) are the best 2 players on the board. Mario is probably their first choice, but he will be gone by #3, unless the Saints select D'Brick which seems doubtful. Remember, Mangini wants players that are flexible and can play multiple positions...D'Brick is a LT...that's it. D'brick is a dam good LT, but AJ will be fine at LT and I'm certain we will address OT in day one. Davis can play TE, line-up as a WR and even HB. Hawk could play any linebacker position. As of right now it looks like Davis or Hawk will be a Jet this Sat. The Jet's will address QB on day one....Croyle, Clemmens or Whitehurst.
Is this guy the best TE prospect ever? If so maybe you can justify taking him 2 spots higher than any TE in the past 20 years and 9 spots higher than any successful TE in the past 20 years. I just don't see it.
