1-KC-Joeckel 2-Jags-Jones 3-Oak-Lutulei 4-Eagles-Milliner 5-Det-Moore 6-Browns-Werner 7-Ariz-Barkley 8-Buff- Smith 9-Jets-Ansah
Fisher needs to be in that Top 9. I think. he's right now, a favorite to Zona at #7. I rate Moore high than Jones, based on his medical concerns. All this Ansah love to the Jets is very sketchy. Ansah is a DE, not a OLB. I doubt we draft 3 D-Lineman 3 years in a row in Rd 1. Also, he's VERY RAW and being rated high on athiltic ability, possible workout wonder...something the Jets overvalued in 2008's draft. Overall not too bad...I strongly disagree with The Cardinals and Jet's selections.
Yes, but Ansah to the jets is no worse than those predicting Mingo to the Jets. Ansah may be raw from a technique standpoint, but still makes plays and shows great recognition in the screen game and against the run. Mingo shoul have had a break out type season but was not the terror he was expected to become. Both will get drafted high based on potential alone and I have been for Ansah for awhile now. I agree he may look more like a DE, but as you like to point out we run more of a hybrid than a true 34. Much like pace or Thomas he could be a stand up backer on non passing downs then put his hand in the dirt and rush in our four man fronts. That versatility is some thing you really won't get out of many of the 240 pound edge rushers people keep mocking to us. With jones, Werner, and Moore off the board we could do much worse than Ansah. Fisher is a possibility, but I think he could be gone by our pick as well.
Ansah is a DE...nothing more Running that Hybrid still doesn't support Ansah at #9. Like I said, I doubt we invest 3 1st Rd picks in a row on D-line. If Jones falls to #9, it's a possibility, he's going to play OLB in the NFL in any defense. Harris, Davis and Jones is a start at LB. Right now, how the players are valued, #9 isn't too good of a position...but things will change after the combine...so it's early. 3 Issues effect the Jet's at #9: 1) QBs suck and have no value in the Top 10, which would send a good player down to us at #9. 2) It's shame Matthews didn't declare, that threw the Top 10 rankings off somewhat. 3) Elite prospects, like past drafts, aren't there at the top of the draft. This draft is strong from the end of Rd 1 thru Rd 3.
His size and the type of player he is, watch some film of him. He' 6'5' and 275LBs........he's more of a JPP type player.
... And that puts him at ten pounds heavier than our two starting OLBs during the Rex Ryan era. He has also gain much of that weight to play football. Can can easily see him in the Thomas role this year with the up side to be a lot more effective as a pass rusher.
whats the knock on kiki? i understand kid didn't perform this year (and also let it be known im against drafting him, im just curious), but aldon smith didn't perform either his last year in college yet he got drafted high and now hes a beast. whats the difference between the two?
He's a pass rusher, not a coverage OLB. Ansah is a perfect 4-3 DE, just like JPP, which I mentioned earlier JPP. I don't see the need, and value at #9.
Aldon Smith is one of the most overrated players in football. Almost all of his sacks are a result of Justin Smith holding the tackle and guard allowing him to come off the edge. Look at what he's done since Justin Smith has been hurt. Zilch.
Smith had a leg injury his last college season, he missed at least 3 games and wasn't 100% for most of the year. If you want to take a big gamble with Mingo and his lack of productivity lasy year, be my guest. You don't draft an unproductive player in the top 10, his game in 2012 was in the shitter. If you're not doing it in College, you're aren't going to do it in the NFL.
"very raw" overused scouting phrase that means nothing. Ansah can play. He's a powerful, versatile defender who has played 3-4 OLB, 4-3 DE and DT.
I don't know, after breaking down the film, I'd say he's got tremendous upside and plays with a good motor. He's rangy enough to drop back in coverage and his get-off can propel him around heavy-legged waist-bending tackles at the next level. His stock is rising and will hit an all-time high at the combine. If he transitions to LB, he'll have to learn to keep his head on a swivel, and his football IQ has to improve. Not a student of the game. He's a poor man's Jason Pierre Paul and a rich man's George Selvie. A man amongst boys against inferior athletic competition at BYU.
I don't want Ansah. If the draft falls like that, I would hope Idsik makes a trade with Cleveland flopping spots so the Jets can grab Geno Smith.
If Moore, Milliner, and Lotulelei are gone at 6, I would be thrilled if the Browns could trade back to 9. I think a third sounds about right. (The Rams got a second to move back to 14 from 6 last year.)
You're wrong, he's not played OLB and hasn't dropped into coverage. He's a DE in a pretty much basic 4-3 BYU defense. Terrific off the edge pass rusher, non-stop motor. He's "raw" in terms of limited experience. Go look up his background and see when he started playing Football. BYU's competition is a long way from the SEC. Great athletic ability, no question, he's a high risk, high reward player. Just saying buyer beware.
Only watched the youtube clips of Ansah's game tape. Never seen him make plays while he was backing up and sitting in space. Haven't seen him show anything decent when it comes to pass coverage also. Not trying to knock the guy because he has looked really good. Just think 4-3 defensive end just seems like the natural place for Ansah. One prospect who I think will fit nicely into OLB is Dion Jordan. He sits on the slots & has shown pass coverage skills. Not a lockdown pass defender but according to the clips online he spends more time off the LOS & playing in space.
Highly disruptive pass rusher both inside and outside and he's just scratching the surface. Displays a quick first step. Outstanding natural athlete for size. Smooth mover. Can quickly change directions. Shows elite closing burst to the QB. Has enough speed and natural torso flexibility to threaten with speed and power off the edge. Also a quick penetrating interior rusher who can be highly disruptive in that role. Needs to be more efficient with hands and do a better job of setting up blockers. Versus the run 3 Has a tendency to let pads rise and can get pushed around when he does. Can get rag-dolled on some double teams. When he stays low and gets his hands inside, he can do a solid job of holding the point initially. Displays ability to strike with initial punch and press the OL backwards. But needs to improve lower body strength and play with more consistent leverage. Must develop a better base. Gets knocked off of feet too often. At his best when on the move. Can quickly penetrate the backfield, has the change-of-direction skills of a 230-pound LB, and he closes like a strong safety. Will still take the bait on occasion and needs to continue to improve his discipline. But has made huge strides in those areas. Is doing a much better job of diagnosing plays and finding the football. Versatility 1 Rare traits to play multiple positions in multiple schemes. Has enormous potential in this area. Have seen him play NT, DT, DE and OLB. Has also been a difference maker on special teams. Versatility should only improve with more experience playing the game. Instincts/Motor 2 Plays hard. Bounces back up if he gets knocked off his feet, and will fight to get back in play. Effort is outstanding. Not a natural tough guy but is improving in this area. Starting to see him play with more of an edge late in 2012 season. I'm wrong. Don't think so. Read under versatility. I believe it says have SEEN him play LB
