Dont know if this has been posted I did a quick seach http://www.profootballweekly.com/PFW/NFL/AFC/AFC+East/NY+Jets/WWHI/2007/wwhi100307.htm Jets players starting to lose respect for Mangini Oct. 3, 2007 After weeks of enduring criticism over the Jets' defense's poor performance, head coach Eric Mangini and offensive coordinator Brian Schottenheimer are now feeling the heat for the offense's lack of production from within their own locker room. Although no player has said anything publicly, insiders say that players are growing increasingly irritated with the overly conservative offensive game plan. In Sunday's 17-14 loss to the previously winless Bills, QB Chad Pennington hardly went downfield at all, despite the fact that the Bills were operating with a patchwork secondary befallen by injuries. The current criticisms of the offense couldn't stand in starker contrast to the way it was received last year, the first year of the Mangini regime. In 2006, Schottenheimer had the whole team buzzing about the versatility that the shotgun and no-huddle offenses would bring, and Mangini was lauded for bringing in a coordinator with such an innovative approach to moving the ball. But as Schottenheimer's play-calling is currently being questioned, we hear that Mangini is slowly losing the respect of his players from both a coaching and personal perspective. Mangini's demanding and notoriously rigid persona has never endeared himself to many players, but they were willing to accept it last year because they were winning. Now that they're mired in a 1-3 start, the prevailing thought is that the team needs to right the ship immediately or risk the player-coach rift widening to a dysfunctional level.
Well, I always take PFW with a grain of salt because they tend to generalize and they never attribute sources. That's the old style of football reporting when it comes to personal issues or controversy and it's often offbase. That said, if this is actually based on players at this point then we're headed for a fullblown QB controversy a week or two out. I hope Mangini is aware of how quickly you lose a team when many of the players have decided you're riding the wrong horse in the race.
Yeah, look at The Giants of last year. We don't need this kind of crap, on top of everything else -- but this is what happens when you're not winning.
More drama from the queens of drama itself. The media is quick to quote "insiders" if it means stirring the pot and creating controversy. Lose a couple of games in a row and they are quick to cry the wheels are coming off the bus.
sounds like a lot of horsesh*t to me. pft isn't the most reputable organization out there. they're more of a enquirer type rag. too soon for the players to start bailing out now. maybe a few more losses will do it, but i doubt anything pft comes out with...
I cant speak to the merit of his un-named sources – but I will say that a 3 – 13 season is the beginning of the end for just about any coach regardless of the circumstances. We will need some luck to get to 3 – 13.
I think that's right. Nick Saban was an ass. Then he was tolerable. Then he was an ass again. Four straight weeks of winning meant that Bill Belichick could ride out the videogate scandal and continue on as the hobo-attired jackass he's always been. Herm wafted between "master motivator" and aloof clown in alternating years. In all cases, losing was the cause, not the effect. Win a couple games, get back to .500, and we'll simply refer to this as a "rebuilding year," instead of a tragic collapse.
I think Mangini is fine. But we need to either put our foots in BS's ass or find an OC who isn't scared to stretch the field. I don't care how "weak" Pennington's arm is, let him unleash something.
I don't know if this is true, but there's a good chance it is imo. It's not surprising. Last year, Mangini burst out onto the scene and quickly became one of the big stories of the league, and was called a genius. Very rarely does someone who has a lot of success without any bumps in the road. Now the team is struggling and their is controversy. Now we'll find out what kind of coach he is. Like with QB's, they say you don't really know what you have until the QB has success, than hits a rough patch where they are getting beat up and questioned, and then they recover from that. I imagine it is similar for coaches.
Agreed, and i'm not surprised either. Last week Hutchinson reported that some on the defense werent thrilled with the system, but wouldnt say so publicly. Also, if anyone saw the monday open mike, mangini was not his usual self, and I dont think the press is ready to do him any favors either. They seemed to have decided to let him sink or swim on his own, and didnt even give him the opportunity to talk about the QB position. Not going for it on 4th downs reveals how conservative he has become this season. And above all, the players are not playing balls to the walls for him this year.
I saw it, and I didn't really notice any difference. What did you think was different with Mangini on Monday? Not saying your wrong, just curious what you saw.
What I saw was that when he first came out, he had this distinct sheepish grin on his face- it almost seemed like he was a little embarrassed. Then he launched into this boring story about a convo he had with Marty S.. When he left, he had that same sheepish grin as he left the podium, when he met that woman and walked away. He seemed less self-assured, and I think he expected to be grilled more than he was. As an aside, I didnt care for his focus on the execution and avoided discussion of the coaching. He did address the 4th down decision, but i am not buying the thing about the refs spotting the ball too slowly, and all of a sudden what they wanted to run there wasnt a good play. IDK, he just seemed different to me in the way he handled himself
This sounds like it's been derived entirely from a comment L.Coles made this week. I give it no credence.
You are essentially correct. There are no examples of a head coach having that poor of a season and doing anything good with the particular team beyond the poor season. This is, of course, excluding cases where a head coach started off with a poor season (Parcells 3-12-1 in 1983, Jim Mora 3-13 in 1998, etc.). Obviously, most coaches don't get fired off their first year with a team. Some coaches keep their jobs after terrible non-debut seasons. David Shula is a good example of this. He followed a 5-11 debut season with consecutive 3-13 campaigns. He kept his job and went 7-9 in 1995. He was fired the following season after a 1-6 start. Allie Sherman is the best example of a coach having multiple repugnant seasons and keeping his job. 1961 Giants- 10-3-1 1962 Giants- 12-2 1963 Giants- 11-3 1964 Giants- 2-10-2 1965 Giants- 7-7 1966 Giants- 1-12-1 1967 Giants- 7-7 1968 Giants- 7-7 Going back to the second sentence I wrote, you'll see Sherman did not do anything good again after the horrible seasons. I'm sure he kept his job after the 1966 season based on the fact he took the Giants to three straight league title games. Bottom line from a historical standpoint- if Mangini has an awful 2-14 or 3-13 season here, I am going to conclude nothing good will happen if he were to keep his job.
Good point.... Or let's create a media circus in our favor. Let's sue the Patriots again. That should take more attention away from the rat coach.
I think deep down the WRs morale is low because of the conservative offense. But you cant blame Brian becaue his hands are tied with Chad's arm strength. Look, we have not even gotten into the winter yet when the wind starts howling and his ball is floating now, imagine when the wind starts kicking up. I also feel that Mangini's my way or the highway style of coaching works well when your winning but soon as you start loosing the questioning begins.
One of my earliest football memories is hearing the crowd at Yankee Stadium singing "Goodbye Allie, we hate to see you go" :grin:
This would be much quicker then I would have thought but it certainly shouldn't come as a surprise to anyone. Mangini does not have the resume to ward it off. Like I said earlier this week, if the tabloids turn on him like they did on Coughlin it will get really ugly in a hurry.
