PFF: Pryor vs. other first round rookies

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  1. Axel3419

    Axel3419 Well-Known Member

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    Here are PFF's grades for every first round pick of the 2014 NFL Draft (in order of selection). For the record, I think Pryor clearly needs to improve, particularly at his angles and tackling ability (whether or not he plays in his ideal SS position or FS), but he actually did better than most rookies this year. He performed better than both Ha Ha and Bucannon, and overall he is ranked #26 among all safeties.

    Let's not give up on Pryor just yet.



    NOTE: A player must play 25% of his team's snaps to be eligible for PFF's base grades.

    1. Jadeveon, DE, Houston Texans - Did Not Qualify

    2. Greg Robinson, OT, St. Louis Rams: -23.6 (#78 of 84 OT's)

    3. Blake Bortles, QB, Jacksonville Jaguars: -38.9 (#39 of 39 QB's)

    4. Sammy Watkins, WR, Buffalo Bills; -5.0 (#79 of 110 WR's)

    5. Khalil Mack, OLB, Oakland Raiders: 56.4 (#1 of 40 4-3 OLB's)

    6. Jake Matthews, OT, Atlanta Falcons: -34.3 (#84 of 84 OT's)

    7. Mike Evans, WR, Tampa Bay Buccaneers: 10.2 (#13 of 110 WR's)

    8. Justin Gilbert, CB, Cleveland Browns: -2.8 (#61 of 108 CB's)

    9. Anthony Barr, OLB, Minnesota Vikings: 9.3 (#8 of 40 4-3 OLB's)

    10. Eric Ebron, TE, Detroit Lions: -6.5 (#44 of 67 TE's)

    11. Taylor Lewan, OT, Tennessee Titans: 2.2 (#31 of 84 OT's)

    12. Odell Beckham, Jr., WR, New York Giants: 20.4 (#3 of 110 WR's)

    13. Aaron Donald, DT, St. Louis Rams: 34.5 (#1 of 81 DT/NT's)

    14. Kyle Fuller, CB, Chicago Bears: -18.4 (#107 of 108 CB's)

    15. Ryan Shazier, ILB, Pittsburgh Steelers - Did Not Qualify

    16. Zack Martin, OG, Dallas Cowboys: 20.6 (#7 of 78 OG's)

    17. C.J. Mosley, ILB, Baltimore Ravens: 12.8 (#9 of 60 ILB's)

    18. Calvin Pryor, S, New York Jets: 4.3 (#26 of 88 S)

    19. Ja'Wuan James, OT, Miami Dolphins: -25.9 (#80 of 84 OT's)

    20. Brandin Cooks, WR, New Orleans Saints: -2.1 (#t-61 of 110 WR's)

    21. Ha Ha Clinton-Dix, S, Green Bay Packers: -2.4 (#61 of 88 S)

    22. Johnny Manziel, QB, Cleveland Browns - Did Not Qualify

    23. Dee Ford, OLB, Kansas City - Did Not Qualify

    24. Darqueze Dennard, CB, Cincinnati Bengals - Did Not Qualify

    25. Jason Verrett, CB, San Diego Chargers - Did Not Qualify

    26. Marcus Smith, OLB, Philadelphia Eagles - Did Not Qualify

    27. Deone Bucannon, S, Arizona Cardinals: -11.3 (#80 of 88 S)

    28. Kelvin Benjamin, WR, Carolina Panthers: -6.2 (#85 of 110 WR's)

    29. Dominique Easley, DE, New England Patriots: -4.6 (#34 of 47 3-4 DE's)

    30. Jimmie Ward, CB, San Francisco 49ers - Did Not Qualify

    31. Bradley Roby, CB, Denver Broncos: -2.5 (#t-57 of 108 CB's)

    32. Teddy Bridgewater, QB, Minnesota Vikings: 3.5 (#15 of 39 QB's)
     
  2. Jake

    Jake Well-Known Member

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    Surprised at this ranking. He didn't look good out there in my opinion, cost us two games with blown coverages by himself (Packers, Bears).

    Should get better with time.

    Meanwhile Fuller gets a horrible grade and everybody's been pumping his tires all year.
     
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  3. pclfan

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    He sucked.
     
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  4. Axel3419

    Axel3419 Well-Known Member

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    Valuable analysis right there. Do come again. :)
     
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  5. Section 336

    Section 336 Well-Known Member

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    Please your tainting the narrative about how bad Idzik sucked.
     
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  6. James Hasty

    James Hasty Well-Known Member

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    HaHa Clinton Dix had a good year from what I understand.

    He is better in pass coverage than Pryor.

    His team is in the playoffs and Pryor's team has the sixth overall pick in the draft.

    How are these rankings determined and in what universe is Pryor the 29th best safety while Dix is 61st?

    Did these experts disclose how the players were scored or how they came up with these rankings?
     
  7. GangGreenTay

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    Isnt Fuller in the pro bowl? I dont understand the ranking
     
  8. Section 336

    Section 336 Well-Known Member

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    No
     
  9. pclfan

    pclfan Well-Known Member

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    It's true. But wait till next year which is in about 4 hours.
     
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  10. JetFanInPA

    JetFanInPA Well-Known Member

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    Wow surprising.. But I'm sure there are many, many plays that we didn't notice him on, but he was actually in position.

    And apparently Aaron Donald can hold Sheldon Richardson's jock
     
  11. Section 336

    Section 336 Well-Known Member

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    I think Sheldon is classified as a 3-4 DE by PFF -- Not a DT
    But Donald is a beast.
     
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    Unfortunately, when you're out of position as a safety in Rex's defenses, you're going to get exposed real quick!! I think we were all hoping for the big hits that we didn't see enough of. but he has potential.
     
  13. Cromartie's_kid

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    Benjamin 85 out of 110???
     
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    The 1985er Well-Known Member

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    He played decently down the stretch but no one noticed/cared at that point.
     
  15. Axel3419

    Axel3419 Well-Known Member

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    PFF has been a very well respected grading organization for the past few years, particularly for OLine and Defrnsive grades since they watch every play of every player for every game and use several grades and algorithms to come up with a number each game (positive or negative) signaling whether the player overall contributed positively or negatively toward the outcome of the game. These numbers are simply added up at the end of the season to determine a player's contribution over all.

    It's not a perfect system by any means. I am dubious of their Qb ratings and their team ratings are always off (because adding up every player discounts the fact that Qbs are not equal to punters, etc.) But I respect their ratings for DBs in particular.

    Pryor had a bunch of negative games but he had a few hugely positive ones that counteracted the negative games. Ha ha may have played a better season overall, but PFF believes Pryor helped his team's performance to a greater extent when the season was said and done.
     
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  16. James Hasty

    James Hasty Well-Known Member

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    You make a good case for PFF but I think their point system has some flaws.
     
  17. Axel3419

    Axel3419 Well-Known Member

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    It does, but it also knows talent. It ranked Sheldon Richardson first among rookies last year before anyone had him in the running for DROY.

    This year PFF graded Sheldon right below JJ Watt. Wilkerson was 3rd after Sheldon (held back due to injuries).

    It's not a guessing game.
     
  18. LAJet

    LAJet Well-Known Member

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    Nicely done Axel. Good data. Surprised how well Barr did also. Loved that kid and wanted him a Jet
     
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  19. 24McNeil

    24McNeil Well-Known Member

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    I thought pryor played much better as the season went on and made is presence felt much more so.

    certainly not a great rookie season but he should be in this league for a long time and not just because teams are desperate to fill roster spots like the kyle Wilson's of the world.
     
  20. LongIslandBlitz

    LongIslandBlitz Well-Known Member

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    Yea well that's to be expected,He didn't strike me as a guy that was gonna light the world on fire right away.Hopefullly year two he gets to the level we are all hoping for
     

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