He has our Jets taking a surprise, to say the least: http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/...3-0-who-is-moving-up-after-nfl-combine-022814
If I got a dollar for every schmo who came up with a mock draft then I'd retire in May. This Jets pick is one of the worst I've seen.
It's probably a terrible pick, I don't know enough about the player to swear by it though. But, Schrager isn't some schmo.. he's a top columnist at FOX Sports.. this would be like a Chris Mortenson or Adam Schefter mock. I wouldn't post garbage from some stupid blogger.
Writers really don't understand the Jets very well and they never have. For all the flack he gets Cimini actually has a pretty good finger on the Jets pulse. I'll be interested in seeing where he thinks the pick is going to go as the draft gets nearer.
Yep, an OT would make sense if the play makers were not to the Jets liking. I think trying to trade the pick down and pick up another 3rd would be good also. That would give the Jets 5 high quality picks in a rich draft. There are something like 15 WR's in the top 100 prospects in this draft. There are 4 or 5 FS ranked in the vicinity. There are 10 OLB's. There are 10 OT's. There are 5 OG's that are 2nd-3rd round worthy. That's 45 players give or take ranked in the top 100 or so. With 5 picks in that range the Jets should be able to get 3 or 4 high quality starters. Even if Revis is traded the Bucs 4th pick is #101.
I know you wouldn't. I'm really just astonished at the amount of mocks out there that go in so many different directions it's insane.
Covering the Jets is a fuzzy logic process that can drive just about anybody insane over time. The national pot-shotters who don't know that much but have to spin the blarney anyway are at a huge disadvantage because they can't even throw darts at a target that bobs and weaves like the Jets. 2005 - Jets are going to the Super Bowl! 4-12 FO tsunami. Reset. 2006 - Jets are rebuilding... 10-6. Playoffs. 2007 - Mangenious is taking the Jets to the next level! 4-12. Reset. 2008 - Brett is here to save the day. Super Bowl! Collapse, Brett is gone, Mangini is gone. Reset. 2009 - Rex: Super Bowl! Jets stink at mid-season. Playoffs anyway. AFC Championship Game. 2010 - Rex: Super Bowl! Jets fall just short. 2011 - Rex: Super Bowl! Collapse at the end. 2012 - Rex: I'm going to be quieter. But, Tebow! Jets collapse at the end. Reset. 2013 - Everybody: Jets stink! Jets play well above their talent most of the year and finish strong. It has to be exhausting and terrifying for anybody who covers the Jets over time. The team is completely unpredictable and anything you say about them could well be way off-base. It's like the Jets have Confuse-a-Cat as their operational mode at this point. In 2014 I could see the Jets going anywhere from 6-10 to 12-4 depending on how things shake out. I watch them really closely so by camp I should have a pretty good idea of what is going to happen. The average national writer is like a deer in the headlights and so they will mostly stampede in one direction and try to hide in the crowd.
The same Peter Schrager who said this on the 2013 Jets Draft: Alex Marvez at least has some more scout sources and is more respectable. While hindsight is 50/50, Schrager also said the 2012 Seattle Seahawks draft got a F grade. Lol at his snipe when meeting Manuel and Smith. What does that have to do with anything?
I would freak if the Jets picked an OG at #18. I would definitely want Idzik fired immediately if he were to make that pick. Sua-Filo is a nice prospect, but not worth the 18th pick, and imo no OG is no matter how good.
I thought there would be more criticism on Sua-Filo in Rd. 1 then the criticism of the Guard position as a selection... The Jets guards were terrible last season. Terrible. I would not be against addressing that position in the early rounds if a player jumps out to Idzik
I don't know that much about Sua-Filo because I haven't spent time studying OG prospects. Based on the opinions of the media and draft sites alone, he seems to be a late 1st or early 2nd round prospect, so #18 would be way too high for him and a big reach. Yes, the Jets' OL needs upgrading, and I wouldn't have a problem if they used some mid or lower round picks on the OL, but with the top 3 picks I want either offensive or defensive playmakers, not grunts. Further, I think the Jets would be best served by signing a FA OG either as the clear cut starter or to compete with Winters, Campbell, Aboushi, Freeman and possibly Colon. I'd be extremely surprised if Idzik picks an OG high. I think they're high on Campbell and don't think they'll give up on Winters this soon. They will be in the mix. Personally, I think they should sign either Asamoah or Geoff Schwartz.
I keep thinking back to Seattle's strange selection of James Carpenter in Rd. 1 a few years back. They weren't afraid to reach on a guard. No clue how much influence Idzik had on that pick or if he was on board with it, but this would be a similar selection and since it came from his previous position, maybe it's not that much of a stretch to assume it could happen here.. that's why I posted the mock draft. I think signing a FA OG is a good idea though, I am on-board with your thinking. The guard position is getting a little overlooked when people discuss the Jets needs. They got abused inside this year, especially in the passing game where pressure came right up the gut. We all know how bad Ducasse is and Winters looked terrible too. Colon wasn't much better although he was a holding machine so maybe that's why he looked better in pass protection. I think the weakness at guard had an effect on Mangold not looking so well too. I don't think they address this need with a mid-round draft pick IMO.
I see about the same as you although I won't say their ceiling is as high this year until after FA and the draft. Then I think we'll all be able to make a more educated projection on win totals. I think IF the offense gets its act together that they could pull out 10-11 wins and be comfortably in the WC discussion. Maybe the Pats take a step back but I still don't see them finishing with less than 10 wins. Yeah I don't pay attention to 95% of the people out there because they don't follow the Jets the way you or I do and they don't understand the roster dynamics either. I will say this though and I know it's been beaten to death, if the Jets don't significantly overhaul their offensive skill positions (WR, TE, another RB, a QB to battle it out with Geno) then we could definitely be looking at a 6-10 year. Another year with status quo and no changes on offense would make for an ugly season. The most optimistic fan really shouldn't argue that.
Last year I was the biggest Jonathan Cooper fan and wanted him at #9. Cooper was in my mind one of the most dominating OGs in the last 10 years, a can't miss future pro-bowler, too bad he got hurt. The Jets also had 2 picks in Rd 1 last year, and to add Cooper and another player like Richardson is a lot different than a #18 on a OG that's a borderline 1st rd pick. I will never say don't draft a guard in round 1 if he's a special player, there is no OG, in this draft, worth the #18 pick. I do think OG is a position of need, but we have 2 or 3 others positions that need to be addressed first, especially if we don't resign Cromartie.
I think this would be a big reach. We need a playmaker on offense that can give secondaries fits. Though I will say one thing. We reached the AFCC two years in a row for two reasons: dominant defenses and dominant offensive lines. People couldn't run or pass against us (Except for damn Manning). But on offense, Sanchez was given all day to through taking a lot of pressure off of him. And the holes, my God the holes the o-line would open up on runs. Thomas Jones was good, but he didn't get 1,402 rushing yards on his own. Shonn Greene didn't get 540 rushing yards as a change of pace back on his talents alone. That o-line was beastly. Things slipped when Wayne Hunter started as RT. He couldn't block at all and Sanchez got killed. Austin Howard replaced him and his pass blocking sucked. Ferguson started to age and it showed. Last year our o-line sucked and we made it to 8-8 thanks to a weak schedule. If we don't beef up that o-line soon, Geno or whoever is playing QB won't even finish his drop steps before getting crushed.
Last year would have been a great time to solidify the offensive line, unless a superior O-lineman prospect falls to us, it's a bad idea to take one at 18. In a trade-down maybe you consider it.
Carpenter was taken in the late 20's which is where good guards become a reasonable choice. Moreover he was an OT at 6'5" and 321 lbs. The Seahawks likely wanted him to take the RT spot that Breno Giacomini eventually filled for them. They drafted another guard in the 2nd round that year in John Moffit. Carpenter played RT for the Seahawks his rookie year then switched inside.
I didn't know that about Seattle and Carpenter, so it makes this mock draft more interesting. Even though I take them with a grain of salt, I always enjoy looking at different mock drafts, sometimes even prefer those whose thinking goes against the grain if they have a reasonable rationale for their picks. Even though I wouldn't be happy if things did go this way, I appreciate your sharing this mock with us.
But how did you like Marvez's "I don't get it" comment regarding Sheldon Richardson? That was a bit of a whiff...