Ok I have heard all the arguments for benching Chad and they are all valid. This is my problem with all of it though. What is different with our offense than last year. I think we all agree that our offensive line is not as good as it was, Chad worked on his arm and yes it is not a rifle by any means but it has to be stronger than last year. So right off we have a Qb who was fairly successful last year with an arm that has to be a little stronger with a line that is weaker. . I dont have stats in front of me but I am thinking our running game had to be better than it is now. Ok everybody has been saying that Chad cant throw long and teams know that so they cheat and play up. Don't you think the opposing coaches were aware of his deficiencies last year. Would they not have cheated up with corners and safeties then because they did not fear our long threat. These are NFL coaches they know. We ran the ball 12 times and got 60 yards. If thats not 1 dimensional what is. They knew we had to pass even with out film. Add to that absolutely no pass rush and we get behind early so it makes us more dependent on the pass. Mark my words if we can throw together a running game , so opposing teams arent sure whats coming we will air it out more. History proves that. Let me add to that I am not a Chad follower. I did not cheer at his injury but I was looking forward to seeing what Clemens could do. I do not however think that throwing a first year player to the wolves is gonna solve anything. I am sorry I think that if we are gonna bench anybody it needs to be the lineman on both sides of the ball and replace them with people who can perform...There I said it!! Just my humble opinion
No, they aren't. The O-line's in ability to run block is the problem, and it creates Chad's in ability to open up the passing game. Pretty straight forward.
I agree but people are saying we have no running game cause they know we cant open it up. Thats why i wrote what i thought
No, his arm is not stronger. Surprisingly, his arm actually looked worse against Buffalo. His range has shortened even more. I'm hoping it's a temporary thing, a minor injury perhaps, since the coaching staff will likely remain committed to Chad for at least a couple more weeks. You're absolutely right that it's not right to throw Clemens to the wolves. As I've posted a few times before, he needs a gameplan developed for his skills specifically. If they play him under the current Chad-centered gameplan, you'll see quarters 1-3 of the Baltimore game all season long. Either way, we're in for a long season because our worst players are at other positions. The problem is, we don't have anyone backing up our linemen who can perform better.
how about this? on short yardage downs we use chad, on long distance downs we use clemens. then when we get the defense believing this we let chad throw his 15 yard bombs on short yardage downs a good 10 yards past the 8-9 in the box we supposedly face because of chads lack of arm. we bring in clemens and the game plan can be just as conservative as it always is, 3rd and long, draw to leon. a better game plan would be .... lets platoon our o-line with a good one every once and a while. the only way to settle this argument " to bench chad or to not bench chad" would be.... let them throw for speed in mph, distance, accuracy through a swinging tire 20 yards away, and hold a spelling bee on our play book with all you controversy seekers watching. manning would suck on this team ( he has a cannon arm, right?), while chad might prosper under center in new england with his old buddy randy and a line that allows brady time to watch, and not make hasty decisions each and every down, regardless of down and distance. montana didnt have a cannon but was the best qb to ever draw in a breath of fresh air!!!
They are both pretty bad IMO. Chad's inability to throw deep and his limited mobility allow defenses to blitz or put extra men in the box and not worry about getting beat for the big play. Unfortunately for us, the o-line can't handle this extra pressure. It's a double-edged sword.
Wow. You're all over the place, aren't you? I get that you were attempting sarcasm, and have been hitting the crack pipe tonight, but still, let me try to address your thoughts here. Yes, Chad would prosper in New England. Any QB would prosper with their offense right now. Prior to this season, Brady made many of the same throws that Chad made in a similar offense with a MUCH better offensive line. The difference is, Brady does have the ability to throw downfield, which allows him to stretch the field. It's no secret that Chad hasn't been stretching the field this season. Even Mangini admitted that in yesterday's press conference. However, Chad hasn't had significant pressure on him for 2 straight games. Joe Montana also had a solid line in front of him and a stronger arm than Chad's, although it was by no means a cannon. Part of why he is one of the greatest QBs of all time is that he was placed in a great situation. The problem isn't that Chad is a bad quarterback. The problem is that we no longer have a great situation for him in New York. However, we're still running the offense for him. With our run blocking, we need a stretched field for any ground success. The problem right now is that even when opposing defenses think we're going to pass, the linebackers are lined up to cover the innumerable 5 yard crossing patterns we run and are quick to hit the gaps when the ball is handed off. The safeties play up for similar reasons. It's not that there are 8-9 in the box (although, we've seen teams able to load the box with the SS due to the aforementioned playcalling), but that we're playing on a shortened field. Add to that the fact that Chad's arm looked worse this past week than it has in any game I've seen, and a lot of people start to worry. Oh, and Manning would not suck in this offense. Unless you mean Eli.
i'm glad you get my many statements of sarcasm, although my drug of choice isnt crack. it just makes me sick to see all these people blast a good qb that the same people raved about last year. our team could compete if given the correct tools, which in football translates to excellent line play (both lines)not the lynching of a good qb on a team he doesnt fit into yet.....maybe never. the jonathan vilma mob wants him burned as a heritic as well, over mainly his playing weight, this also makes me sick. i have read this site for the last 5 years without speaking, because the lack of understanding on this page combined with all the awnsers to the many problems was so thick, truth cannot be deciphered. oh well i hope you learned from me as well, i see your points. iguess you are a lynch chad guy as well? manning (peyton) would suck on this team as well, our d would stay on the field all half, he would revert back to his early days of happy feet and forced throws while trailing in the score....etc...dont you see the big picture? its not chads fault, its team wide. deep throws and completions wont solve anything.
I'm not a lynch Chad guy. Most of the people here aren't actually lynch Chad guys. They just don't want him starting for a team that has so many problems that it won't be contending anyway. People claiming that Clemens gives us a chance to make the playoffs this season are as delusional as the people who feel Chad is playing well. No, it's not Chad's fault that he's on a team that doesn't fit him right now. Don't blame the fans for realizing that fact and wanting to see a change. I hope Chad gets to a team that can use him next season. I like him. I think he's a good QB. I think he should start until the CS has a solid plan for Clemens. I just don't think he fits us any more long term.
Dude, come on. I'm really trying to stay with you here. Chad and Moss only played together for one season in '97. With Chad and no Moss, Marshall lost one game in 98 and went undefeated in 99. He also started in 95 without Moss and played well then too.
at marshall... whoop de do!pile the stats on me to further your argument. now you sound as if you are on the chad band wagon after pissing on the thoughts of him staying here. do you feel the need for someone to just call you right? was chad the only reason they won those games? he was picked in the first round by the parcells regime for heavens sake. looking in hind site would you use a first round pick on him now? i doubt that you would
No, because now I'm well aware of the injuries that plagued his career. I'm also aware that we've moved the team away from one that gives him a chance for success. Again, though, I've supposedly said something I didn't. I addressed your comment that he relied too much on Randy Moss. Clearly he didn't. That's all. You never mentioned any other players. If you'd like to tell me that he was overrated because he had great talent around him or inferior competition, I'd be happy to respect your opinion. When you suggest that he was overrated because he played one season with Moss (and I doubt you realized they were only paired for one season when you posted), it just tells me you're an idiot. Please. Keep posting. It's entertaining to see how much absolute moronic shit you can post in one night.
exactly how does a switch to an inexperienced qb help this team? it didnt hurt palmer in cinci the time to learn. i guess the success in the preseason has clouded everyones minds about the switch. it may get clemens hurt and then what do we do? draft another qb in the first round next year only to neglect him as well with terrible line play. the debate of changing starters is a joke, until the line is addressed. see the real football problem not the statistical or theoretical one.
so keep on with your idiotic shit ballboy! i guess your avatar proves you are a special teamer not me !
If you would look at my previous posts, I never said that a switch to Clemens would help the team. In fact, I've cautioned against bringing him in before the CS has a gameplan in place to help him succeed. I don't think we're going to do anything this season with either QB, although surprises do happen. If we decide in a few games that Chad's play continues to hurt us, we bring Clemens in to give him experience. You don't give up on him after this season regardless of how he plays. You work to build the lines on both sides of the ball in the draft and free agency. You give Clemens all of next season to prove himself, and then you worry about a QB if he struggles. What is the statistical problem you're talking about? I can't seem to find my post with all of the stats in this thread, but you keep mentioning them. Perhaps you could invent some?
tbruner- I'm not sure how you got my email address, but my outgoing mail isn't working at the moment. I'll have to respond here. No, I don't have a favorite superhero. Yes, you do look very tough in your picture. No, I don't think you look like Christopher Reeve. Sorry. Thanks for the picture. It's a good one of you:
then why argue for chads removal? statistics like, points in this season, because wins and losses are produced by them. chad and this coach of ours isnt meant to be this high scoring machine. its ball control which chad gives us the best chance at. mangini is a parcells disciple more than a belichik one, for the simple fact of our roster. im saying why bench chad? if we had our lines corrected we could play ball control and field position, like his mentors.
The two are related and unless one of them improves drastically we are just going to get more of the same. We have got to find a way to get the running game going, trick plays, something. It's inexcusable to have a back like TJ and only get 30 yards against Buffalo. Boy I bet the Dolphins are happy they did not hire Brian Schottenheimer -- that inventive offense is in the toilet w/ a legitimate RB.
