With all the hoopla over Abraham, Ramsey, Pennington, etc.., I've read or heard absolutely NOTHING about what kind of offense we're gonna have. I've read that Mangini wants to go with a 3/4 on D. I'm ok with that although I do wonder if Abe wouldn't be better suited as an OLB but hey, that's another argument for another thread.. Has anyone out there heard anything at all? Are we gonna be vertical now that we have Ramsey or back to dink and dunk? Martin and Houston healthy also offers the smashmouth option as well.. Insights anyone?
34 would be stupid, but Mangini seems to be very stubborn. Smart and reasonable coach work with the personnel they have. If the coaching staff has brains, we'd stay with the 4-3 until we could bring in 3-4 players. The signing of Kimo is a good indication that this team is headed in the wrong direction.
tiny, some think he may actually drop out of round one...there are some questions whether he can be an everydown back (hm to give an example, he's built like barry sanders, and does have great vision and natural running ability like sanders, but he does not come close to him at all in the physical package sense...I like DeAngelo and have nothing against him, but some think he could end up like a Brian Westbrook but just much slower/not as big of pass catcher) im not rooting against him, i hope it works out for him, but i definitely dont see "tangini" drafting him in the first round...or even second considering how high that is (our pick) even if he is there...
I think more of a vertical passing game with the TE being included more. Hopefully the offense will play as the defense dictates. I will mark the hell out if the Jets open up a game with 5 wide, shotgun formation and use a no huddle offense in no huddle situations....................
This discussion came up on another thread earlier today but didn't get very far. Brian Schottenhiemer doesn't have a history you can look to. The San Diego scheme was Advanced Marty Ball. Drew Brees' arm strength was barely adequate ...so he couldn't stretch the field if he wanted to. The only clues you have is that the two QBs of interest, Ramsey and Schaub, are pocket passers who need to be protected. You can use planned rollouts but they aren't going to scramble. Schaub's arm is above average and Ramsey can hum it. The best way to use Ramsey is to spread the field. Short to intermediate range passes get to the receivers quickly and accurately.
I think we will run a very similar offenst to last year, except i really think we will use jolley and whoever our other TE is a lot more. Hopefully we can sure up the O-Line, and possibly get RB of the future. I think our O is 2 years away.
My opinion losing Moss and Chrebet hurt the Jets in so many ways. Penny as we all know does not have a gun. These recievers brought were the slash recievers with that quick step and speed my opinion we don't have. By saying we are going to be a vertical team I can't see how. Penny just can't get the ball there and D's knew this and swallowed up the middle of the field and let him go sideline to sideline. Ramsey I really don't know crap on Ramsey besides what I saw in Washington. He has a decent arm and can get the ball there from what I have seen. What killed him is his ability to read the rush which I think Penny does a good job at. Unless we establish that O-Line I don't give a crap who runs/throws the ball we wil be hurting..
I tend to think that this is true. It's better for Mangini to start seeing who will work and who won't NOW when we don't have much of a chance rather than experiment in a year or two when we are ready to gear up.
I would love to use the tight end alot more as I feel that is a trend the NFL is heading towards(for a reason). It opens up running lanes and creates alot of favorable matchups for a slot receiver in a singleback set. That being said - it would be really nice if we could get a TE! Baker showed alot of promise when healthy and on the field, but he currently isn't even on our roster. Jolley = yuck. While alot of people feel that Dreesen has potential - I don't see him having the physical attributes to create separation if being our starter. It's alot different sneaking in a few plays a game vs. having a defense prepare for you. This is why I've been a pretty big proponent of getting Vernon Davis. I feel he has the great intangible of offering our offense an identity. No matter who wins the starting QB position they would be much more dangerous with a threat operating in the middle of the field. But I'd rather not have this thread degrade into a "we have too many needs to draft a TE"... So pay no attention to my last paragraph : )
In arm strength, Ramsey and Pennington are polar opposites. I don't know how you'd design an offense that would fit both of them.
A few weeks ago Brian Schottenheimer was quoted as saying "there will be no dink and dunk", it will be a vertical offense.
Well yeah on defense it looks like were headed to a 3-4, like it or not. As for offense IMO it all depends on what we get out of Pennington. Thats ASSUMING he starts, which I think he does. I certainly know that I dont want Ramsey in there. Now, lets examine Pennington...he thrives off the play action (one of the best in the league), so getting him a good RB is critical. The Jets reportedly have faith in Martin for one more year to carry the load, and will supposedly draft RB outside of the 1st, in the 2nd or 3rd. My best bet is that we draft Addai in the 2nd. Some scouts even have him rated above D-Williams. But we're gonna have to seroiusly revamp the oline. The question is what kind of oline...do we go for a big bruising oline with a man to man scheme, or a smaller athletic line that runs zone? Looking at Schottenheimers former line, we see that he worked with a medium sized line...they werent undersized like Atlanta nor were they as massive as Baltimore. His line averaged 310 pounds a player. Most likely thatll play a big role in the players we draft. We might pass up on the Max Jean-Gilles' for the David Josephs. Back to Pennington, hes similar to Brees, in that hes accurate and thrives in the short yardage passing game, but dosent have too strong an arm. Continuing the comparisons, Brees had a stud tight end, a great oline, average receivers, and a stud tight end. They complemented his strengths and masked his weaknesses. Thus it is reasonable to think Schottenheimer will want to implement a similar system. Furthermore, since Brees and Pennington are so very similar, I would in fact be VERY surprised if we decide not to do that. So assuming we draft a RB like Addai, and also make oline a priority, a playmaker at TE would be needed. One of the top three would be ideal...Davis, Pope, or Lewis. Personally my favorite option is trading down to 9, taking Davis in the 1st, Mangold and Addai in the 2nd, and Whitworth in the 3rd. Which isnt just a mock, IMO itll be pretty close to what well actually end up doing. I think defense will be drafted mostly day 2. Just my opinion
well they better get a new oline if they plan to do shit...... At least Ramsey has played the role of tackilng dummy before.
And Kimo will need to play with a cane by that time... he's 36 already and will be 38 by the time we're all ready to go.
To tell you the truth, C, I have absolutely no freaking idea. None at all. The two QBs that they have on the roster are both system QBs, and the two systems that they would excel in are complete opposite. Chad is a WCO QB, and Ramsey, well, isn't. Our WRs are more suited toa WCO as well, I suppose. I'm just not sure.
