of whom some of you may never have heard. #1 is Adrian Hamilton Adrian Hamilton, Prairie View A&M, DE/OLB prospect 6-3, 250, 4.7 forty, All-Time Single Season Sack Leader in the SWAC (20.5 sacks) broke Robert Mathis' Record Honors: 1st Team FCS All-American & 2011 Boxtorow Defensive Player of the Year 2011 Stats: 81 Tackles, 20.5 Sacks, 26.5 TFLs, 6 FF, 2 Pass Break Ups Hamilton is very athletic, has prototypical size. He has a great motor, is tenacious and determined to get to the QB. He uses his hands well, has great strength. He is not only fast, but very quick and hard to block. He has great agility and change of direction ability. He also has a great motor, is very determined and tenacious in going after the QB. He launches himself at the QB and tackles through him. He’s also very hard to block, and even when he is, is able to get off the blocks quickly and make plays. I was very impressed how he got off blocks and tackles runners for a loss or was able to run down the QB who was rolling out. He looks pretty polished and has a number of different moves to get to the QB. He looks to have good vision and instincts as he quickly diagnoses plays, gets into the backfield and blows plays up. If this kids scores at the Combine anywhere near what I think he will, he could rocket into the 2nd, maybe even the first round. I may even like this kid’s potential better than I do Ingram’s or Perry’s or any of the others. This is definitely a player the Jets need to target. Here is the link to his YouTube highlights clip: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1XU34I3duRw&feature=player_embedded#! What NFLDraft Scout says: http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=65300&draftyear=2012&genpos=DE BuffaloBillsDraft.com: Strengths: Dominant edge rusher who led the nation in sacks this year with 20.5…gets off the ball quickly and does a good job getting straight up field…possesses a number of pass rush moves to beat his man both inside and outside…really showed us something when able to dip his shoulder and turn the corner on the OT…closes very well, seems to find an extra gear when nearing the QB…not afraid to deliver a hit to the QB and give him something to think about…Effort player who plays through the whistle and is active in his pursuit…athletically fits the mold of a stand up 34 OLB rusher in the NFL who can work in space and attack the line of scrimmage. Weaknesses: Like many young defensive lineman the first think Hamilton will need to work on is his hands, he needs to be more effective with them in order to help himself disengage from blocks quicker…we would like to see him get a little stronger, he relies almost exclusively on athletic ability from what we saw, if he can add a complimentary bull rush he could become dynamic…Slight undersized at only 6’2 but he does have 32.5” arms…will need to work on coverage ability if he plans to showcase his ability to 34 teams, need to show fluidity in his drop and the awareness to play in zone coverage two things he’s been asked to do little of in school. They project him as a 6th round pick. I disagree, and also disagree with the comment about his hands. Pro Football Zone: NFL DRAFT Player Spotlight Adrian Hamilton, DE, Prairie View A&M Adrian Hamilton is the very productive Senior Defensive End from Prairie View A&M who had been the talk of a one bowl game already is doing it again. His electrifying 20.5 sacks this season broke the record of Robert Mathis in the SWAC and helped boost his name out there for college scouts. After putting on a major showing for NFL scouts at the HBCU Bowl, he was invited to the 2012 Casino Del Sol Bowl in Arizona. On his first day of practice, he opened some eyes with another amazing performance. He finished the day with 4 sacks and a ton of tackles in the backfield. Today he came back out there and did it again, getting in the backfield and sacking the QB again. Everyone questioned his ability to play against major competition but he is quickly quieting naysayers, who once doubted him. Adrian has had an amazing journey, but it has only made him stronger as a person, and a football player.
Here's Another: #2 Shea McClellin I don't have as much info on McClellin as Hamilton, but have a number of links. He is projected as a 4th round, possibly 3rd round pick. 6-3, 255, projected 4.74 40 2011 Stats: 50 tackles, 12.5 TFL, 7 sacks, 1 FF http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/...essing-scouts-with-versatility-at-senior-bowl Several on YouTube: There are also lots of Boise St. Highlights from various Games on You Tube in which you can see #92 McClellin 2011 Boise St. Defensive Preview in which you can see McClellin make a number of plays: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jYdzorboZbI&feature=related vs New Mexico 2011 (via JMPasq) YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F0vM9k9bnsk&feature=player_embedded vs GA 2011 YouTube (can see other Boise St. prospects - McClellin makes a TFL at 1:17): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sMkqOgJ3Gv0&feature=related From CBS Draft Tracker Overview McClellin was a lightly recruited tight end/defensive end out of high school and attracted just one FBS-level offer, grayshirting at Boise State in early 2008. He saw playing time as a true freshman in 2008, recording 14 tackles, 1.0 tackle for loss, 1.0 sack and 3 forced fumbles. McClellin started the final 11 games in 2009 as a sophomore, finishing with 36 tackles, 6.0 tackles for loss, 3.0 sacks, 2 passes broken up and 1 interception. He started every game in 2010 as a junior, recording 30 tackles, 1 forced fumble, 1 interception (returned for a touchdown) and a personal-best 13.5 tackles for loss and 9.5 sacks, earning First Team All-WAC honors. McClellin returned in 2011 as a senior and again started all 13 games, finishing with 50 tackles, 12.5 tackles for loss, 1 forced fumble and a team-high 7.0 sacks, earning First Team All-MWC honors. McClellin, who was the unsung hero for the Broncos? defense, is a relentless and active defender and is the type of player and person who is always hungry and never satisfied ? a prospect I wouldn?t bet against. He doesn?t stand out athletically and lacks the natural burst or explosion to consistently threaten the edge. McClellin is a versatile defender and will be most effective moved around by a creative defensive coordinator in the NFL, utilizing his impressive effort and playing speed ? a borderline top-100 draft pick who isn?t flashy and won?t have great work-out numbers, but simply makes plays on the football field. Analysis Strengths: Plays fast with very good football quickness and agile footwork. A high effort and energy rusher who plays with obvious passion and intensity ? relentless and tenacious motor. Fast in pursuit with good chase skills to track down the action. Good get-off momentum and anticipation ? instinctive defender who locates the ball quickly. Extremely active and plays with an aggressive playing nature and attitude ? self-starter and strong finisher. Country strong and very physical, welcoming contact. Fights and works hard to find a way to beat blockers ? disruptive with a nose for the ball. Versatile defensive player with experience at LB, DE and other hybrid front-seven positions. A creative pass rusher, using a variety of moves and techniques to create pressure. Tough and durable with a productive collegiate r?sum? (33.0 tfl and 20.5 sacks), starting the final 37 games of his career in Boise. Weaknesses: Not a quick-twitch player and lacks natural explosion ? not an elite athlete. Has only average functional size and strength, lacking the natural power and length to overwhelm blockers at the next level. Too energetic at times and often over pursues his target ? can be overaggressive and take himself out of the play. Lacks a natural position for the next level and won?t be at his best if he?s locked into one spot. What PFW says: Evaluation: Active, productive, competitive, assignment-sound defender with good movement skills and body control, though his best trait is his relentless playing temperament, as he lacks exceptional athletic traits (plays better than he tests). Edge burst is just average, does not show variety as a pass rusher and needs to get stronger. Instinctive, aware and knows where the ball is going. Is effective looping and stunting and can drop into short zones. Character player has operated from two- and three-point stances and versatility and special-teams ability adds to his value. What DraftScout says: http://nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=70853&draftyear=2012&genpos=DE What National Football Post says: A versatile, explosive athlete with a mighty motor who knows how to reach the quarterback. McClellin possesses a solidly put together frame with a strong upper body which maximizes his length into contact. He plays all over the Boise State defense. He will play with his hand on the ground, can stand up and rush from a two-point stance and will blitz from the inside as well. He exhibits an explosive first step off the ball both with his hand on the ground and standing up. He can also coil up into his stance, stay low initially off the football and threaten the edge with speed. He does a nice job timing up the snap count and is routinely one of the first lineman moving off the ball. McClellin doesn't waste any motion from a two-point stance either when threatening the backfield. His weight is consistently in his front foot and that generates a burst attacking the backfield. He also displays a real know-how of getting to the quarterback and he possesses a solid pass rushing arsenal. He isn't the most flexible of athletes, but will drop his pad level around the corner, sink his hips and turn the corner. He's balanced/fluidity laterally when working a counter off his speed rush. He gets a bit upright, but extends his arms well, is strong in the lower half working through contact and accelerates well through contact. Also, McClellin extends his arms well at the point, can initially create a pop to gain space and possesses a solid initial burst once he gains a step. He's clever when asked to stunt, disguises his intentions well and works endlessly toward the quarterback. He also plays the run well for his size, is patient when taking on blocks, extends his arms well and has a violent set of hands. His combination of body control and hand strength allows him to keep himself clean into contact, fend off the block and work his way in pursuit. He is a solid anchor player who can run as well and will make plays off his frame. He likes to run around blocks more so in space and at times will take himself out of plays. Also, McClellin is often asked to drop off into coverage and is a solid athlete in man. He keeps his feet under him, exhibits some natural balance/fluidity in the hips and can re-direct and close on the football. Impression: McClellin is a productive pass rusher with a big motor, good skill set and can get after the QB in a number of ways. Looks like a potential starter at the next level. The Sports Headquarters Prospect a Day: http://tshq.co/2012/01/nfl-prospect-a-day-shea-mcclellin/
Maybe its just me but I dont see us going after a pass rusher in the 3rd-5th rounds. Those are prime rounds to hit up WRs, HBs, TE and Safeties all of which are glaring needs and where the best offer is available. OLB is just as big of a need if not bigger, however I see us targeting that in the first 2 without a doubt. And we need big bodies for the OL so I would expect OLB/OL to be the first 2 picks assuming theyre anything even remotely close to BPA when we pick I mean if the guys available in the 6th then sure shoot for it, but id rather us just grab 2 wrs since thats where the best money is this draft, as well as restock TE/S and HB to a lesser extent all in those late rounds. I feel like since most teams go nuts for pass rushers theyre usually picked clean by the late rounds
I'm hoping they'll double dip at OLB to insure they get a good pass rusher. I'd be shocked if they used their first 2 picks on OLBs, so I think they'll use either their 1st or 2nd on a pass rusher, but could see them taking another later, particularly if he's the highest rated player on their board. Unless Tanny trades picks aways, they'll have at least 9, maybe 10 or 11 picks. They should be able to get 2 OLBs, 2 WRs, 2 S, a RT, a P, a TE and maybe an OG.
I think it depends on what we do free agent wise. I mean Pace is almost guaranteed to be on the roster, Maybin, Mcintyre are both probables, then our 1st/2nd rounder puts us at 4, With Pace/Rook/Maybin getting the bulk of the action and Mcintyre keeping em fresh. If we get any kind of cheap vet (either BT or someone to play the Jayson Taylor role) then I think there's no chance at all of it happening. Hell is it even certain that we might not bring BT back for the absolute vet min ? Cant expect him generating shit for interest on the open market, and he has been a Jet his entire career. Unless the Pats offer him a 4 million a year contract, I wouldnt be surprised to see him want to finish his career as a Jet
I don't think that they can afford even a cheap vet OLB, and see no need for it. A cheap one would be little improvement over Westermann and McIntyre. Pace will be gone within the next two years, but he is guaranteed to be on the team in 2012 due to the cap hit the team would take. His pay is all salary and guaranteed. The Jets need to draft and groom his replacement. Thus, I think the OLBs will be Pace, Maybin, likely Westermann, and at least one rookie, hopefully 2. McIntyre would probably be out of luck. I could see the Jets keeping 5 OLBs, but not 6. One way that the Jets could hide another OLB is as a backup ILB. Hamilton has some experience playing ILB. Perhaps some of the others could also function as a backup OLB this year. In all likelihood they'd be faster and perhaps better players than any of the Jets ILB backups. Even if not, next year's draft may not have many good OLB prospects since so many good ones are in this draft. You have to draft to the strength of the draft imo. While I think you're right about not being surprised if the Jets bring Thomas back, if they do that rather than drafting an OLB, I hope the whole FO and CS are fired immediately following the draft because that will prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that they are incompetent and not fit to run an NFL franchise. It will prove that they're utter morons. You're right that pass rushers usually go early. I think it could be a little different this year because there is such a deep group of them. It also will push some of them up higher, just as when there's a rush on OTs and CBs. At a minimum, the Jets need to come out of this draft with 2 OLBs, 2 WRs, a S and a RT. Anything else is gravy.
No offense, but the thought of this kid being potentially a 1st round pick is crazy. Normally I'm not THAT concerned with level of comp. as long as I see things in the player's game that translate; nothing that he did in that short video did anything to convince me. He's all speed, no power, if the lineman got a hand on him he was locked up. I can only imagine how it'd be if I could see an actual game if in his highlight vid he was being blocked pretty easily once the tackle got to him. And the weaknesses there are accurate, he only gets pressure buy running around tackles. Maybe he can get a look as a true LB, but a player with no physicality to his game has no place as a 34 OLB. Plus, as far as I see he wasn't even invited to the combine.
Shit thats right forgot about westerman. And im not talking about drafting 1 OLB, im talking about drafting 2. And I want to clarify im talking about bringing BT back instead of drafting TWO OLB, not instead of drafting one. I think no matter what we do (short of signing something like MWilliams) we gotta draft one OLB in the first 2 rounds. Now were gonna have Pace/Rook/Maybin/Westerman/McIntyre thats 5 OLB, and assuming we bring back BT for the vet min thats 6. I have no idea how many OLB you plan on having active but that sounds like a ton already. Drafting another one on top of that is nuts. Absolutely we get an OLB within first 2 picks, no questions asked (unless something crazy ala Trich falling to us) happens). But I dont think we truly need another one if we keep Maybin/Westerman/Mc . We can take a wait and see approach to how the rookie developed alongside Maybin/Westerman then in 2013 we have money to either get someone (if needed) via FA or the draft. I think the draft needs to look something like 1 OLB, 2 WR, 2 safety, 1 OL, 2 TE, 1 HB. I suppose if we dont get rid of DK we can get by with only 1 TE, but I think there are more pressing needs than TWO OLB unless a gem falls into our lap . Even 2 WR is only necessary if we dont dip into the FA pool (which I think is a mistake) ala Braylon Edwards. Fact is we got a lot of needs (mostly depth), and while a premier pass rusher is a MASSIVE need, OLB depth shockingly isnt a huge need at this time assuming we keep Maybin/Westerman/Mc and these guys make some form of progress
Kyle Wilber -- Wake Forrest 6'5" 242 lbs He probably needs to put on 10-15 pounds but could be a great value pick in the 6th or 7th round.
Never saw Adrian Hamilton, but he looks like he has potential as a passrusher. He looks to have the type of potential like a Whitney Mercilus type player has (given the level of competition is not near the same level and Im not saying he is as good as Mercilus or even close before someone rips on this), but we wouldnt have to spend the 16th pick to get him. I would like to see what our OLB coach could do with a guy with potential in the later rounds- he helped Maybin a decent amount and played a good part in his development as a passrusher. From that highlight reel, he seems to have good bend an athleticism when getting around the tackle (which is something many OLBs lack), good speed/closing speed, ability to diagnose a play, a good amount of moves- bullrush, speed rush, spin move... I would not mind taking a flier on him if he really projects that late. Do you honestly think he could jump into the 2nd??? /sincere question, not sarcastic
I'm on board with this. I understand the need for a developmental passer, but we already have Westerman and Maybin who sort of fit that description. We need guys who can make an impact now, not in three years. I'm all for double dipping but Id hate to spend three or four picks on pass rushers.
If the Giants making the Super Bowl proved anything this year its that as long as you have a pass rush you have a chance to make a run. I'd be ecstatic if we invested heavily in pass rushers, ITS ABOUT FUCKING TIME.
He may not be invited to the Combine. I hope he isn't. Then maybe he can slip under the radar. The Texans already know about him (an article I saw), but they don't need him. If he is, I do think he could soar up the draft. We all know how valuable pass rushers are. We also know how some GMs are heavily influenced by measurables and speed. With the agility he has, if he runs the drills well at the Combine, then he's bound to have a meteoric rise. I think you need to view the video again. He sheds blocks fairly easily to get to both RBs and QBs. He uses his hands well. He has power and explosiveness off the line and as he tackles. He has prototypical size and little body fat. You can't say that he has no physicality to his game. Just because he didn't bowl anyone over in this clip doesn't mean he isn't physical can't get to the QB. How many times did LT bull rush to get to the QB? He has speed, quickness and agility that the Jets' LBs can only dream about. Did you notice that when he gets his hands on ball carriers/QBs they go down? How he explodes through them? That is physicality too. I think this kid would be an absolute steal in the 4th or 5th round, and if he does rocket up higher, I'd have to at least strongly consider him in the 1st round and would most likely take him in the 2nd or 3rd round if he graded out. He also has high character, so that would not be a concern.
I don't know. We've seen other players rocket up draft boards. This kid seems pretty polished already. He's a 3-down LBer. He makes plays vs the run and isn't just a pass rusher.
If the Giants making the superbowl this year it proves that Rodger Goodells NFL is all about having a QB/WRs who can cover all the holes on your team.
Thanks for clarifying. I agree that one OLB pick needs to come in the first two rounds, preferably the first round. You assume that McIntyre is a lock. Why? He really didn't show much last year. Both Westermann and he are JAGs. Why should they be guaranteed spots on the roster when the Jets could bring in two rookies with better speed, better instincts, and are more skilled at getting to the QB? Maybin may not even be safe. If the Jets could get two great pass rushing OLB prospects, the Jets may decide to keep Westermann and let Maybin go. Who knows what they'll do after last season? Why 2 TEs? That isn't necessary at all, and this isn't even that good a draft for TEs. Since the Jets need TWO new starters at OLB by 2013 or 2014, the time to get them is now. They can take a year or two to develop sometimes. Smart GMs draft to the strength of the draft. How many years have the Jets waited to get a chance to draft a quality pass-rushing prospect. They had a chance last year to take an OLB or two and passed it up. If they pass the chance up to take two this year, then I think they're fools and should be fired. Who knows how long they'll have to wait to get a good shot at a good pass-rushing OLB prospect again. You can't have too many pass rushers. The idea isn't getting OLB depth. It's getting two topflight OLB prospects with speed who can really pressure opposing QBs and also make a lot of plays vs the run. If one or both can be decent in coverage, then that's gravy. Also, the Jets don't need an HB. They got Powell last year. If they take one, fine, but it's not a big need. The pass rush is. I really can't see their using FA $s for anything but a S, RT or QB. They're just too limited cap wise, and those needs are too important.
I don't think anyone is advocating 3 or 4 pass rushers. That would be extreme even for me. LOL! I don't think either Hamilton or McClellin will have a long developmental period. I agree that we don't need any "projects." Maybin may develop, but likely will only ever be a situational pass rusher. If the Jets can find two OLBs each of whom is a complete, 3-down LB, then Maybin becomes a luxury. Westermann and McIntyre could then be kept for depty or allowed to go elsewhere. I'm not sure either will ever develop into anything even remotely resembling what the Jets need.
Yeah I'm not arguing with you, but most of those guys the Giants have were acquired over a series of drafts, you cant look to get as many talented pass rushers as the Giants have in one draft
It's madness, absolute madness. Firstly he was kicked off the team at Texas Tech, so who knows what kind of character he has. Saying he has high character is like saying he is going to be an NFL star from a highlight video... We also have NO idea about his exact size, nor do we his speed because it's all relative to the competition. He isn't physical. He makes some nice hits, but when he's playing against SWAC skill players he should physically dominate those guys, they're not pro players. He SHOULD have high sack/TFL numbers too, considering he was once a FBS player as well. What you're not getting is that if you put one of these other guys at that level, he'd probably be even more dominant. As sloppy as those tackles look against Hamilton's limited skills, imagine if they had to take on Courtney Upshaw? Or Vinny Curry, who devastated MAC competition? These guys would be setting records. I really need to re-emphasize the ridiculous base of this discussion, which is a random highlight video. There are actual scenes in there that look to be taken with a VHS recorder from the stands of a high school stadium. That said, I'll play the game, and go through that video again, in mind numbing detail: - First thing that needs to be pointed at is how bad these tackles are. Play 4, around 1:13, watch the tackle, he basically lunges off the snap. Doesn't move his feet, just falls forward. 1:46, that should never happen, and would not happen at a major college level. No DE should ever go untouched by a tackle. 2:14 he gets stoned by the tackle who actually figured out that Hamilton only has speed. Got his hands on him and he was done. 2:25 This is the third sack against this guy, probably one of the worst collegiate tackles I've ever seen. His feet are miserable, and he basically takes two awful steps before lunging like a dying manatee. I just looked him up, he's a RS Freshman backup tackle for Southern. 2:32- Hamilton makes a play, but the QB is a moron, DE rushes upfield on an option run play you hand it off to the back, that's JV high school football IQ. He's left unblocked for about a minute in here. 4:35- GOOD GOD. The tackle actually chases him into another gap!! I've never seen that before. Never. You have to be kidding. This kid is going from high school football to the NFL. That's two times through, and he showed nothing but speed and agility. Like I said before, an in space LB? Maybe. ILB in a 34? It's possible. But a 34 OLB? Never, not unless he's a very, VERY late pick that can hang out on the PS for a while. Saying he's got potential 1st round ability from that clip is just what I opened this post with, madness. And these days the OTs are FAR different than what they were in the 80s, and on a related note, PLEASE tell me you just didn't throw in a LT comparison for this kid. LT was as strong as he was fast, and he was playing in an era that let him speed around slow, plodding tackles. These days with the athleticism that exists on the OL he would have used his strength more. When LT hit a lineman he went backwards, there was no stoning LT at the LOS or keeping a pocket, all the OT could do was hope he could hold on for three seconds at a time. Plus they had been blocking LBs with RBs bac then, he pretty much ended that forever.
Following is short post with links to three articles detailing three small school players the Jets have been scouting and checking up on. Hamilton is one of them. There's another OLB prospect from Bethune Cookman and a P from Fort Valley State. http://forums.jetnation.com/topic/1...outs-looking-at-a-few-small-school-prospects/
