Have been hearing a lot lately about Jets West and it seems opinions range from Who cares Sanchez sucks, to Geno's being a big baby. Also a great many people calling this a useless "sleepover" event for Sanchez to "buy" his teammates support. I'm not going to put an opinion into this breakdown will add in following comment but wanted to see the intelligent people's here thoughts on the following break down: 2012 - Jets West Skill players attendance,. and results.. Scotty McKnight, Patrick Turner: Cut, Josh Baker: Injured Aug 26, Cut John Conner: Injured MCL Sprain - Cut, Dustin Keller: Injured all season, Played great when "healthy", See pats, fins game ( 14 catchs 160 yds TD ). Joe McKnight: Under-utilized. showed flashes ~6yds/carry through the season, Shonn Greene: "Career Best" in yards (1063) and TDS ( 8 ) Jeff Cumberland: Great Year - after catching 3 passes his first 2 years caught 29 last year 3 for TDs. Santonio Holmes: Injured Sept 30 - On pace for ~1200 yards ( 13.6 / catch - near career best ) Jeremy Kerley: Great Year - Dbl'd catches (56) and yards (825) and TDs ( 2 )
My Thoughts: Can't really blame any of the injuries or the cuts on Sanchez. For what it's worth, anyone who was on the team and not injured showed great improvement from any of their previous seasons. I know a couple of these are due to injuries and being forced into a position to make more plays but Holmes Kerley and Cumberland and Greene all posted what would have been career years. In what many are consdering one of the worst offenses to grace the gridiron in many years they still managed to squeeze some production out of some less then stellar players. Most of which attended the camp with Sanchez. Something to be said that 90% of the people Sanchez was throwing to last year weren't with them in the start of the season, I really think chemistry goes a long way.
Imagine what Sanchez could have done with Braylon attending Jets west a few times. Yep. That one is squarely on T-Bomb.
there are alot of variables at play here. so it really becomes a difficult grade. i would expect the stats that greene, cumberland, and kerley put up would have been similar whether they attended this road trip or not.
Keller was a good receiving TE before he ever went to Sanchez's camp. McKnight has problems holding onto the ball and it's not uncommon for a 3rd string RB to get a lot of yards when going up against tired defenses. Greene's numbers got worse, not better. 3.9 yards per rush? Career best? LOL Cumberland's numbers went up? No way! That couldn't be because Keller didn't play, could it? Of course his numbers were going to go up. Holmes - Injured too early to tell what kind of season he was going to have. Kerley - Again, of course his numbers went up. Our #1 WR didn't play most of the year. Hill missed five games and wasn't a reliable receiver. The Jets had no one else to throw to. You can't possibly say his production was the result of Jets West Camp and not opportunism.
My question is what the hell did this camp ever do for the person who needed the help the most..Mark !!!!!
I appreciate the time and effort you put into that synopsis, but attending Sanchez's camp was and is largely irrelevant. How their seasons went have nothing to do with Sanchez's camp. All those players would have had the very same outcomes had they just stayed home and worked out vs. having fun with Sanchez in orange county.
It's ok bud, Reading comprehension is tough. I actually didn't mention one way or the other with Keller and openly admitted that some of this was due to opportunities opened up by injuries. Greene actually DID have the best numbers of his career. The only # that was worse then 2011 was his YPC ( -.3 ) Holmes was injured 3.5 games into the season and was on pace for 1200 yards. Nearly matching his best yardage receiving in his career. ( 1248 in 2009 w/ Steelers ). Cumberland and Kerley had the same opportunity every other receiver / TE on our team did with Holmes and Keller going down. The #1 Spot was wide open and they stepped up. The other receivers that were available to take the starting role didn't eclipse 400 yards... Reuland only caught 11 passes. You might not be able to draw a direct correlation to Jets West and success but I certainly don't think you can draw the conclusion that any player is better of NOT going.
I agree and think that's tough to say one way or the other. But there's something to it that the guys who attended the camp were the ones who eventually stepped up to take the place of injured guys and produced the best results last season?
If Jets west is to improve play, what can Geno possibly learn from Sanchez? If Jets west is for team building, your stats are irrelevant.
I swear some people have never played a team sport yet seem to be experts on what it takes to win. It's not about Geno "learning" ANYTHING from Sanchez, It's about the team learning from each other, WRs tell QBs where they want the ball in certain situations, QBs can go over how they want to throw an out, or where they like to place the ball on quick slants or what tricks or things they look for when reading a defense. It's not about learning FROM anyone, it's about growing and learning TOGETHER as a TEAM. It's a time where the offense as a unit can decide what they want to work on to get better without having scrutiny of the media or having to worry about looking poor in front of the coaches when it's time to actually draw up the 53 men who will make the team. Football is a TEAM sport, Football is a TEAM sport, Football is a TEAM sport, Football is a TEAM sport, Football is a TEAM sport.... One more time - Football is a TEAM sport.
Not everybody who plays a "TEAM" sport needs that type of reinforcement. Some prefer to workout on their own or even w/ their old college teammates( Ala Miami U alums). We're talking about the true offseason. Not training camp, minicamp, OTA's or regular season practice. Many players need the time away from teammates & the game to clear their mind for the upcoming season. If players prefer to stay united & workout as a unit...more power to them. But not every player needs that type of environment. Jets West is largely irrelevant to the grand scheme of things. It'd be a complete after thought 10-15 years ago. There is absolutely NOTHING to read into it whatsoever.
Considering the Following: - People knock him for having superior WRs and letting them do most of the work, - He's up against a 4 year veteran, - He didn't have the proper NFL pocket experience that you should from playing in a shotgun offense - He know he's going into one of the most trying NFL markets with the NY Media - He's been working his ENTIRE life to get to this point. I would hope that Geno is hungry enough to prove people wrong and to himself that he doesn't need "Time away" from the game to clear his mind. If he truly wanted to be the starter and franchise QB to this team, He should want to spend the little time he has as efficiently as possible to get himself ready for week 1 as the QB of the NYJets. He's not going to be throwing to Antonio Brown, or Tavon Austin against the Bucs come september, And if you believe all the media we don't have anyone even close to that caliber WR. I believe he's doing himself a great disservice by not having people around that he needs to get familiar with. And just to make this clear I'm not a Geno hater, I will fully support whichever QB wins the starting job come week 1. I just really think he's not doing himself any favors.
You are putting ENTIRELY too much thought into this. Let the kid do what he feels is necessary to put him in a position to win the starting job. Jets West lasts like a week. Truly, what is Geno even missing out on? Training camp will give Geno more than enough time to become familiar with his receivers.
I believe Geno did the correct thing by not attending the camp. It is a "competition" right? I believe that if given a chance one of the 4 QB's that we have will step up and become the starter that is the best, however Rex will name Mark the starter because after all he is a one trick pony. Rex doesn't know jack shit about running a offense.
There's no such thing as becoming "Too Familiar" with your teammates.. Being there could have only helped Geno's progress. Having veterans around him is obviously going to be a huge help to him learning the nuances of the NFL offense. You think Geno as a rookie QB coming from a college system really knows what it takes to prepare for a WCO? None of the people working with Geno have ever even played in a NFL WCO.
Thanks for the blanket dumb statements and Sanchez bashing sig so I know i can just ignore the rest of your post.
