Aren't you sick of long offseasons and training camps where we know one of two or three will be our starting quarterback? When will we get our franchise quarterback? Who will be our franchise quarterback? When will we go into a offseason knowing who our Quarterback is? Look at the Giants, Colts, etc. They are competitive each year because they have their Franchise Quarterback. Clemens or Ratliff isn't going to be our Franchise Quarterback. Some say "who cares", we will have a great defense... Teams with really good defenses, some years they are good where they make to the playoffs where they just might make the Divisional game, some years they are just decent. Clemens had his chance and he didn't look good at all. If Clemens was at all impressive during last offseason, they probably wouldn't have got Favre. Ratliff would be the guy I want as QB... if the game was in the 3rd quarter of a preseason game. If the Jets want to go into the right direction, they would take the chance and trade up to get Sanchez. Or trade for Quinn. We will go no where with Clemens or Ratliff. A solid defense will get us no where, maybe the occasional one or two game playoff run but no further. We are a New York team, we will be paying for expensive seats and crazy PSALs. We need to get our Manning, Brady... There's no guarantees but at this point that's what the Jets should do. We have tried late rounders, vets, open competitions. I think this is the draft where we go make that pick.
If we trade for Quinn or Sanchez we'll have our franchise QB. The question will then become 'for how long' because both guys have NFL resumes about impressive as the guys we got already. Unless Quinn or Sanchez come in and completely shit the bed, they'll start here for at least the next two-three years
Do not draft Josh Freeman. I am fine with moving up for Sanchez or taking quinn with a 2nd round pick, same goes for Jason C from the Redskins. I do not want to destroy are future reaching for a qb that can turn out to be nothing.
I'm only sick of it because I have to sift through shitty threads like this. edit: To answer the question, no, I'm not sick of it. So far our FO has done exactly what I hoped they'd do regarding the QB position. We won't have a franchise QB until we give someone the chance.
GBA the title of the thread is pretty self explanatory, if you are bored of them, stop clicking on them. There are a lot of them, but it's only because we are just over 24 hours away from the draft and people are excited. I agree and disagree with the OP, teams get to those peaks by getting a franchise QB, but also by not being ignorant of the other needs on the team. That's why i think trading up to get Sanchez is a mistake, because we do need a WR, we do need a blocking TE, we do need depth on the O-Line and D-line, and we could do with a pass rushing end. So trading 3 of our 6 picks would be a bit stupid if you ask me. Especially for a guy who has 16 career starts at USC. However i agree about the Quinn trade, if we really are not happy with the QB's we have then a 2nd round pick or a 3rd and Brad Smith might be a good option. I'm a Irish fan so i saw first hand just how good Brady Quinn was, he still needs to prove himself in the NFL, but he has everything to succeed, he has terrific work ethic, he is as smart as they come, and being a QB at Notre Dame, you are in the spot light, you have to be able to handle the pressure.
The OP has it exactly right. This is NY and the Jets need a franchise QB. They want to sell PSLs for beaucoup bucks. They should have made the move for Cutler no matter what it cost but Tannenbaum has no balls. Now it's very iffy if any of the guys in the first round this year will ever be a franchise QB. Other than that you have Quinn and some bum in Washington that they can't wait to dump. Where is the value and what will it cost?
Who ever we get on Satrurday will be the automatic starter and KC will be gone. You can't draft or trade for a guy in the first round and then have him TRY and earn the job. That is the problem the Browns has when they first drafted Quinn. The fair price for Quinn would be our #17 for their 2nd next year plus Quinn. They don't have a 2nd this year and no way we should pay more than a #22 pick which is what they paid for a guy Mangini dopesn't want. At least Quinn and their #104. Campbell is worth no more than a #52 and we get Campbell with plus their #80. Its real obvious they don't want him and now he doesn't want to be there. Sanchez would be worth #17 this year and our 2nd round next year. (Which I'm hoping is in the 60s.)
Sanchez will cost at least our 1st and 2nd this year and probably our 4th too..just to move from 17 to 8. Chances are we would have to go much higher to get him. That's why people rarely trade into the top 10..except the Jets..see Robertson.
This is the best answer and it's the jets history. We don't hire coaches who believe in developing talent. I beleive Rex has plyed against and seen how much talent is wasted by the NYJ's. Everyone wants the next hot superstar. A team should not draft a player if they have no desire to protect their own investment by insuring a player is properly coached (not threatened as is the way of mangini and why the team turned on him). Kellen Clemens is a good QB who's career is being ruined not by his play moreso than than the media and rabid fans looking for the next hot wonderboy. Why do teams like the Colts have an all-world QB (was shit his rookie year). Coaching and development. The Giants (was shit when Eli got the reigns), coaching and development. No matter who the Pats put in they do well beacause of coaching and development. WE DON'T DEVELOP TALENT. WE WANT TO WIN NOW. WE HAVE BEEN WANTING TO WIN NOW FOR HOW MANY YEARS. How much jet talent and seasons lost due to poor coaching. I hope Rex changes the reputation of our team. We don't need a new QB. We need to develop and keep the chemistry of the team we have. My opinion.
Since the year 2000, we have had enough of a challenge of knowing who our coach is going to be the next year. Actually, it goes back further; I selected a date at random.
Totally disagree with your Clemens point. He didn't have his chance, as you put it. The guy played behind an offensive line that a pop warner team could trample. Even given that, he went 3-5 in 8 starts. I think you need to give him a full year behind the o-line now and make your judgment based on that.
I love ridiculous statements like this. I find it funny how you say we need find our own Brady, completely ignoring the fact he was a second day pick, road the bench for several years behind Bledsoe, and had people writing him off just like you are with Ratliff and Clemens. People want the big flashy name and are ready to write everyone off that isn't a first round pick. Tom Brady was a 6th round pick. Kurt Warner played in NFL Europe and was packing groceries. Montana was a third round pick. Romo was undrafted. Jack Delhomme was undrafted. Etc., etc., etc. The fact is no one has any idea if Clemens or Ratliff can be our franchise player. And we will never know until we give these guys a chance to start. We need to give our own players a chance. If they don't work out, draft someone next year. But it seems to me people are more interested in the Jets getting on the back page of the paper.
Our next Franchise QB is probably laying in his crib in Western PA waiting to be feed by mom. Hopefully she isn't giving him formula.
Hope you're right. At this point the best (only) shot the Jets probably have is Quinn or Freeman. Rumors now are St Louis may take Sanchez at 2 which eliminates any chance anybody can move up for him.
