I'm guessing at the comp picks and that Revis is a Buc by the deadline. It's shame Keller got injured because it likely would have given us another 5th round pick Round 1) Blake Bortles QB - UCF; I like his size and has impressive arm strength. He is really begining to climb up the draft board. He has played well against good teams. He reminds me of Jake Locker and could be a potential franchise QB. Now he hasn't declared and apparently is undecided but if he does middle of the 1st round seems like a possible landing spot. Round 2) Jordan Matthews WR - Vanderbilt; Has ideal size and has been extremely consistent for Vandy. He lacks speed which hopefully will drop him into the 2nd round. He has played extremely well against the best defenses in the SEC. I could be wrong but I think he is the 1st SEC WR to catch 100 passes in a season. Round 3 from Bucs) Xavier Su'a-Filo OG - UCLA; You can never have enough depth on the OL and with the assumed cut of Ducasse and possibly whatever else we have there outside of Winters. Su'a-Filo is a high character guy and served a 2 year LDS Mission so is at an age where he could just be entering his prime. Round 3) Michael Sam OLB- Mizzou; We've already found one stud from Mizzou on the defensive side of the ball and Sam could be another. The guy makes plays and can rush the QB. I remember his fumble return against Georgia and he made some plays in their win over aTm. Round 4) Deone Bucannon SS - Washington State; A guy who has played well for a team that hasn't had a good defense since he's been there. He's started many games going back to his freshman year. Can play well against the run and in the passing game. Round 4 Comp Pick) Andre Hal CB - Vanderbilt; Nothing flashy but a guy who has played well against SEC competition and unlike Milliner didn't have a top 5 defense to bail him out time after time. It's a position Rex loves and depth is never bad at CB when you play the Pats 2 times a year. Round 5) Jordan Lynch QB - Northern Illinois; I know what you're saying. He can't play QB at the next level and I also know that you know he isn't going to play QB for us. I see him like other MAC QB's Josh Cribbs and Julian Edelman. The Jets still like to run the WC and he has the ability to make the roster if he can contribute on ST. Round 5 Comp Pick) Joe Jon Duncan TE - Dixie State; An interesting prospect who will boom or bust based on how he does at the Senior Bowl. All reports I've read indicate he dominated at Dixie State but obviously he's never played against top talent. His blocking isn't a strength but he has a good combination of hands, size and speed. I just wish I knew a kid like this was playing so close to me as I would have made the drive to St George to see him play. Round 6) Rajion Neal RB - Tennessee; A big physical back that has some speed. He played on a bad team but did pretty well in the SEC and had some decent games. He's nothing spectacular but he could be a big bruising back to gain those extra yards on 3rd and short. Round 7) DeAndre Coleman DT- Cal; A depth pickup. He probably would be better in a 4-3 but Rex loves depth on the DL and this guy is a mountain of a man. Round 7 Comp Pick) Joel Bitonio OT - Nevada; An All-MWC 1st team player, he has good size but lacks in technique and I've seen him beaten by swim moves but seems like he could be coached up. Round 7 Comp Pick) Chaz Sutton DE - South Carolina; The other DE at South Carolina. He has had to wait his turn playing behind some really good talent but has taken advantage of his oppurtunity.
That's assuming Jets drafts at which pick? If Jets draft Bortles with 8th pick overall, I'd say that's a major reach. To me, he's a second rounder. I'd feel better if Jets were drafting him with 20th - still a reach, but doesn't look that bad. If Jets are drafting at 8th, I'd like to see the Jets trade down, get an extra 2nd THEN grab Bortles with either low 1st or another 2nd.
I'm assuming we're in the 15-20 range. I don't think we can draft any higher than 13th but don't quote me on that.
If Bortles declares I have not seen him mocked out of the top 6. With so many QB needy teams in the top ten I highly doubt he makes it out. Cleveland seems a likely landing spot. Matthews is a good pick and another that may not be there, but with the depth of this years WR class its a possibility. Have not seen much of Su'a, but not going to knowck adding OL depth. I think one or both of Colon and Vlad will be back if they come with reasonable contracts. Both of them should be easy signings. Michale Sam is a good player. not sure if he is the terror off the edge we want, but could transition to a nice all around role on the edge. Good work though. Tries to hit some major areas, but I really don't see us landing a QB worth the mid first pick this year.
I really like Bortles and I might sound crazy saying it but I think he's the best QB in the draft. Obviously the right situation would be ideal for him but if Cleveland could get him IMO they're finally getting that QB that could get them into the playoffs. Adding him to the potent Josh Gordon would be sick.
If the Jets go with one offensive skill player in this draft I will bite somebody at random the day after the draft. I don't want other people's leftovers at WR again. I've had enough of that since 2011. It just doesn't work. At best you get an insanely over-priced free agent who is competent. At worst you wind up with a weekly amateur hour as the Jets have so often in the last two seasons.
We should draft a QB first round that reminds you of Jake Locker? I don't think that's a good idea.. I like Bortles though doesn't matter it won't happen unless we trade up. I'd like Lynch 6th or 7th round. He's a lesser Tebow without the Tebow fans.
We don't know if Geno is or isn't the answer at QB yet. Going into the year most people thought he needed a year of grooming before he could start. Well he started all 16 games this year with one of the worst groups of receivers in the league and it ended, predictably, poorly. If Bortles was the starting QB on this team, how do we know he would be any better? Jets fans are reactionary and tend to always think that the grass is greener on the other side. Let's see what we have in Geno and give him at least another year rather than spend a 1st on a guy who might not be better than who we have. Like the Jordan Matthews pick, hopefully he's available when we pick in the 2nd. If not, maybe he's a guy to consider in the 1st.
Very well - Bortles is skyrocketing through the roof as we speak, so I don't know if Jets can land him at 15-20, but let's just say Jets do get him. I don't think it's such a good idea to go with 1 skill position drafted to go with Bortles. If Jets do draft Bortles, I want the Jets to draft 2 WRs and 1 TE with the next three picks. You can ignore everything else now. Really. I mean it. My logic is... as following: a. You got a real good looking prospect that will anchor the QB position for years. You do not want to ruin him under any circumstances. b. That practically rules him out as a starter next year. His throwing mechanics needs a lot of corrections, and he needs to learn the NFL offense. Also, he needs to get acclimated to the speed of NFL. True, I have seen a lot of QB success stories as a rookie, but the Jets MUST not risk ruining this prospect - they have done that bullshit twice in the past 5 years already. They MUST give this kid time to learn and correct everything he needs to, so when he steps up, he can contribute. c. 2014 will be one year after the spike year, and year 2 in rebuilding year. Maybe Geno feels he's slighted with Bortles pick, and he wants to prove he belongs. Let him take the starter role for now. [Sanchez is a goner.] The team will still hang in there with 7-9 performance anyway, regardless of how bad Geno plays, so I don't see a point in rushing Bortles in when the offense is not even sufficiently addressed yet. Expectation should be tempered to 7-9 or 6-10 season again. d. Also, we all know that it takes time for offensive skill players to develop into a sensible contributors. In order for Bortles to have the weapons when he takes the reigns, the skill players should have necessary experience by then. e. Protection? Geno's taking the beating. Sorry, kiddo. OL help is coming next year. f. Same with OLB/S help. If you are getting the QB, you need a coordinated effort to help ease him in. g. And if Ryan is as good a defensive genius as we all think he is, he should be able to find a few diamond in the rough. He has done so consistently, and it's only prudent to hope he finds another in LB corps. ------------------------------------------------------------ 4th round pick is a fair game for any position after that. They can go for OLB, SS or OL - or another TE project kid. If this happens - in my perfect world, Jets will get a stud WR at 1st, and Bortles at 2nd, and a WR and TE at 3rd, but the order does not matter much as long as Bortles gets enough quality offensive pieces to grow together - I would be really ecstatic. ====================================================== Of course that's one strategy. Another viable one is to draft Kyle Van Noy with 1st, and another OLB prospect [hopefully Adrian Hubbard] with 2nd. They can draft WR/WR/TE with 3rd/4th round picks. The idea here is to let Geno and Sanchez battle it out [of course, that means Sanchez takes a massive pay cut.] They can grab a S with 4th round comp pick, then blow the rest on OL again. All in all, I would prefer the Bortles scenario however - just imagine how Marty would utilize this kid. He does have problematic throwing mechanics that needs correction, but his footwork is fantastic. He extends plays - and he is hard to tackle. He is pretty mobile for a guy his size. [I summarized my scouting report of him in one of the QB prospect threads here. Look that up.] He does not rely on his arm but more of his accuracy to make plays, and his accuracy in the intermediate to deep area is literally lethal. [His short passing skill need a lot of work however.] Just imagine how he will perform in Marty-led WCO. With sufficient supporting cast around him, he'd be a pretty accurate version of Ben Roethlisberger [more likely Big Ben Lite]. WCO really will showcase his good footwork and dead-on accuracy, as WCO heavily involves the QB running. [Take Sprint Right Option, the play Montana ran back in 1981 to slay the devils of Cowboys.] As long as Jets don't rush him in, he'd be a fantastic QB.
I went back and watched a bit more of Sam and came away much more impressed. The Kid has a much better first step than I remember and was consistently in the backfield against Flordia and Vandy. Getting him in the third may be a pipe dream.
This. It's apparent that some people just don't get what the draft is truly about. (Remember Kiper's famous line about the Jets and the draft many years ago) I agree that if the Jets draft ever went down like this (which it won't) it would be very underwhelming and a head scratcher for sure. This year the Jets need to keep it simple. Draft the top Skill players early and often. They do this and they've had a very good draft.
What happens if you finally get the offense some weapons, and Geno plays like he is supposed to? People on this forum talk like Geno was not a blue chip PROSPECT coming out of college. Keyword is prospect. Give him time to develop before you incite yet more drama at the QB position. Also, care to explain why you want two OLB's?
Or go get a BETTER prospect this year and let them duke it out and maybe you've found your franchise QB for the next decade plus your Kirk Cousins type backup. You call it "drama". I call it finally finding your franchise QB. So that we don't have to have drama for the next 10 years. _
Or you reach for a QB in the 1st round who is not better than Geno and the two of them duke it out and whoever wins the competition is always in danger of being replaced by the other guy and neither of them can get a solid grip on the team as a result. If the Jets bring in another rookie QB who is drafted high he has to be clearly better than Geno. That in turn will likely lead to him being on the field at the start of the season next year and the Jets will have their third rookie QB starting in the last 6 years and hoping this guy is better than the last two. It makes more sense to draft somebody behind Geno and then if Geno plays his way off the field next season and the other guy is ready to go it is an easy call and does not leave the team and fan base split. It's also a lot cheaper in a year when the Jets want to spend real value on play makers.
Yes, the concept is drafting someone clearly BETTER than Geno, which there are quite a few this year. Drafting somebody "behind" Geno is basically throwing away a pick. Taking someone in the 5-7th rounds is what some folks call a developmental QB but what I call someone who never ever sees the field. It's a waste of a pick that could have been used for OLine depth or a 3rd RB or a blocking TE. Hoping for a diamond in the rough Tom Brady 6th round pick type is a pipe dream--happens 1/10000000ths the time finding a starting QB in round 1 happens. Taking someone in rounds 3-4 creates the same "drama" a 1st or 2nd pick creats if Geno plays poorly, but you don't get nearly the QB in rounds 3-4 that you get in round 1-2 in this years draft. Depending on what GMs think of Mettenberger's and Murray's injury. Round 1 or 2, let the BEST QB for the Jets franchise play--and if it's a guy like Bortles you let him sit for the first 6-8 games like Geno SHOULD have sat. Using an early round pick--ONE PICK--on a QB does not mean you are not looking to draft playmakers. We have anywhere from 9-11 other picks to take playmakers. It's one pick guys--one pick. BTW, I couldn't give a half baked crap about splitting the fanbase. And the team will rally behind who the best player is, until he's not or hurt then they'll rally around the other guy. Then the guy after that. _
Here's the thing, NONE of us are professional scouts--we all have our own opinions which mean basically nothing, and our opinions are based on our own unique perspectives. You say "let's see what we have in Geno" and I suspect you think we may have a Warren Moon on our hands. What if he's actually NOT Warren Moon? What if he's REALLY Quincy Carter. Who also threw a pretty ball? So you want to wait until NEXT year to find out that we MIGHT have Quincy Carter? I don't want to gamble that he's Warren Moon and find out he's not without a backup plan--and I'm not talking some leftover free agent stopgap bounced from his team because he wasn't any good (i.e., Matt Schaub). I want them to be aggressive and get someone THEY believe to be a better prospect--and again NONE of us have any real idea how good any of these guys are. I've never seen Bortles play. What happens if every GM and scout all agree that he's honestly the next great thing? Do we pass up on him because we MIGHT have Warren moon, but who might REALLY be Quincy Carter? _
i'm not taking blake bortles and throwing his ass into this shit show we call an "offense" unless he is a cant miss prospect. bortles is no where near a slam dunk i don't understand why people don't try to build this offense up to the point where it can mask the deficienies of our QB. we can't accurately judge geno or any QB for that matter here i do like the matthews pick and deone bucanon
