I've thrown this idea around with a few friends, and we agree that it makes sense for all four levels: for the bowls, the BCS, the conferences, and most importantly the fans. We would replace the BCS with a 6-team playoff. The 5 tournament games would be played in the 5 current BCS Bowls, the Orange, Rose, Fiesta, and Sugar, with one repeated, as is currently done. Each conference champion from a BCS-conference would be guaranteed a spot in the tournament if they are ranked 25th or higher in the BCS. We would, however, remove the computer polls from the equation, and base our rankings solely on the Coaches and Harris Poll. If one or more conference champions are ineligible, teams would be selected in the following method. First, any non-BCS conference champion with a BCS ranking of 15 or higher would be selected. If no non-BCS conference champion has a rank of 15 or higher, the highest ranked non-conference champion would be selected. No conference shall have more than 2 members in the tournament. This allows for three things. First, since winning their conference becomes the criteria for selection, teams would have more of an impetus to schedule difficult out-of-conference opponents. For example, a team like Texas Tech wouldn't schedule two FCS opponents just for the sake of getting to 2-0. Also, the regular season would be lessened to 11 games, lowering the necessity to bring in FCS or non-BCS conference opponents. Next, it improves the quality of games within the division. Georgia complained last year that they weren't in the BCS championship game despite not even getting a berth in the SEC championship game. With the knowledge that just one loss could and would eliminate a team, the quality of in-conferene games would improve. Once we reach the tournament, the #1 and #2 seeds receive byes. This would placate BCS fans who think that it's unfair for them to be thrown right back into a tournament. The seedings #3 through #6 would be accumulated by BCS rank, and bowl selections would be decided after seedings, and would remove any chance home-field advantage. For example, USC vs. LSU would never take place at the Sugar or Rose Bowl. What does everyone think of the idea?
You have teams playing in a many as 3 bowls. Too much of a financial windfall for those teams at the expense of other possible participants. I like an 8-team playoff: 6 conference winners and 2 at larges. At larges determined by BCS ranking. Unbeaten teams from non-BCS conferences and/or independents are automatically in, even ahead of higher ranked major conference teams, provided they are within, say, the top 10 or 15 of the BCS (Ball State, for example, shouldn't get in this year. But Utah should.) I'm also not opposed to having a minimum BCS ranking requirement for conference champs so a weak Big East team doesn't automatically go ahead of, say, the 2nd place Big 12 team or whatever. Require that regular seasons and conference championships be completed by the last weekend in November. Reduce the season to 11 games if necessary. First weekend in December: national quarterfinals. Seeding is done based on overall BCS ranking. Seeds 1-4 HOST seeds 8-5 in their home stadiums. This reduces fan/team travel to an extent, and provides an extra benefit to teams who finish in the top 4 (helping avoid accusations that a playoff would water down the importance and intensity of major regular season clashes). Play one game on Friday night, one at noon Saturday, one at 4pm, one at 8pm. The best 8 teams (give or take), playing in classic home venues, back-to-back-to-back over the course of ~30 hours, with a trip to the national semifinals on the line. Sports viewing bliss IMO. Qfinal winners advance to national semis, to be played on New Year's Day in major bowls (rotating each year). Qfinal losers' season is not over; they are free to accept bowl bids elsewhere (including the major bowls not hosting the semis that year). Traditional bowl pairings in these non-playoff bowls may be preserved if the bowls/conferences so choose. NOTE: completing the Qfinals by the 1st week in December allows enough time for the traditional bowl selection process to occur (it also reduces student-athlete obligations in exam periods, a common bullshit objection to a playoff). National championship is played in a major warm weather stadium on January 8 (exactly 1 week after semis) or the following Monday so as not to conflict with NFL playoffs first weekend in Jan. The latest the season could run, therefore, would be January 10. Summary: bowls still get theirs, conferences get theirs, "mid-majors" have a chance if they go unbeaten, student-athletes schedules are minimally affected, and you create not only an unbelievably fun Qfinal weekend but a system where a champion is determined ON THE FIELD. What's not to like?
It will never happen so give it up. I don't care if Obama wants it or anybody else. A playoff scenario of any type would run right into the NFL playoffs so it won't happen. The fact that the NCAA is the minor leagues for the NFL just solidifies it. Now, if and when the NFL decided to play on until March, well then it could happen.
Dude did you even read my proposal? I specifically address a potential conflict with NFL playoffs. What else you got?
http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/footba...rYF?slug=dw-playoff120208&prov=yhoo&type=lgns Before we get to the playoff, let’s start by giving the Bowl Championship Series some credit. It might not be a good system, but it is better than the old one. For decades, college football “determined” its champion by having two or three of its highest-rated teams play on New Year’s Day, only rarely against each other. Fans at home would turn the channel (manually) and wonder why they couldn’t just have that great team play this great team rather than blow out two inferior opponents. (Too complicated was the answer.) At the end of the day, a bunch of sportswriters, who probably watched only the game they covered in person, held a vote and named the “national champion.” That was the system. Seriously, that was the system. If you set out to design the worst possible and least satisfying way for a sport to stage a championship, this might be it. Only through the clouds of nostalgia (and New Year’s hangovers past) does it seem even remotely palatable. Any college football is fun to watch, so you took what you got. At least the BCS uses a convoluted formula to choose the two “best” teams and makes them play each other. For that we are grateful. The result has been a surge in interest in the sport. Which the apologists for the BCS like to claim proves their genius. It doesn’t. The old system was like non-alcoholic beer. The BCS is like near beer – that low-alcohol stuff that gets sold in some locales. Given no other choice people prefer near beer over the non-alcohol stuff. That’s not a compliment to near beer. It’s like saying the BCS has a nice personality. A playoff is the real thing, real beer in all its varieties. If you think college football is popular now, imagine if it did away with the nonsense. You don’t even have to drink beer to know real beer outsells the other two about a million to one. (You do have to acknowledge the similar addictive elements of alcohol and college football though.) So forget these clowns patting each other on the back for creating a system better than the worst system ever. We’re demanding real beer here and like grown-ups will lay out the best postseason system while discrediting the foolish obstructionist counter-arguments. Don’t credit me with the following genius – it’s essentially the exact same playoff system the NCAA uses for all other divisions of football. (Please note, whereas some conference title games still need to be played, for the sake of argument we assigned victory to the higher-rated team in the current BCS standings to place and seed the field). A 16-team field Bracket Just like in what used to be Division I-AA, the tournament would feature four rounds with teams seeded one through 16. Just like the wildly popular and profitable NCAA men’s basketball tournament, champions of all the conferences (all 11 of them) earn an automatic bid to the field. Yes, all 11. Even the lousy conferences. While no one would argue that the Big South champ is one of the top 16 teams in the country, there are multiple benefits of including champions of low-level leagues. First is to do what the apologists claim a playoff would ruin – maintain the integrity and relevancy of the regular season. While the idea that the season is a four-month playoff is both inaccurate and absurd, there should be a significant reward for an exceptional season. The chance for an easier first-round opponent – in this case No. 1 seed Alabama would play No. 16 Troy – is just that. Earning a top two or three seed most years would present a school a near breeze into the second round, a de facto bye. Drop to a third-seed in this year’s scenario and you are dealing with a pretty tough Boston College squad. On the flip side, it brings true Cinderella into the college football mix for the first time. Is it likely that Tulsa could beat Oklahoma? Of course not, but as the men’s basketball tournament has proven, the mere possibility (or even a close game) draws in casual fans by the millions. Perhaps the most memorable college football game of the last few years was Boise State-Oklahoma, in part because Boise was the unbeaten underdog that wasn’t supposed to win. When it did, in dramatic fashion, it became the talk of the country. There would’ve been historic interest in seeing if the Broncos could do it again the following week. Why wouldn’t college football want that? The BCS said Boise State had no shot at a national title in 2007 because either 1.) it wasn’t any good in 1977 or 2.) wasn’t geographically or politically situated to be in the proper conference. As illogical as this is, that’s the system. For even lower-rated conferences – the Sun Belts, C-USA – allowing annual access to the tournament would not only set off celebrations on small campuses but it would encourage investment in the sport at all levels. Suddenly, there would be a reason for teams in those leagues to really care. This would improve quality throughout the country. By extending the postseason to more conferences and teams, it would actually increase interest. It would not simply make the regular season matter more it would make more regular seasons matter. Right now, Friday’s MAC championship game between Ball State and Buffalo is virtually meaningless. It wouldn’t be if a berth to the playoff (and in BSU’s case a pretty good seed) was riding on it. Who’s against more meaningful games? With the bigger conferences, a championship would take on greater value. Does anyone without direct rooting interest really care who wins the ACC title game Saturday? And while everyone’s fired up about the high stakes in the Florida-Alabama SEC championship, most conference title games pit one great team against a lesser one just playing spoiler (i.e. Missouri-Oklahoma). But what if Missouri had something to really play for? And Oklahoma was still desperate to maintain that high seed? At-large bids In addition to the 11 automatic bids, there would be five at-large selections made by a basketball-like selection committee which could agree on what criteria it values. This is where independents, such as Notre Dame, would have access to the tournament. Most years, all five bids would come from the power conferences (ACC, Big East, Big Ten, Big 12, Pac-10 and SEC). This year, the at-large process would allow for a shift in power out west. Texas Christian of the Mountain West would join league champion Utah in the playoff. Considering the league went 6-1 against local rival the Pac-10, it’s well earned. No longer would perception and politics trump reality. While the selection process would still draw complaints from the teams left out, those schools often would have two or three losses or significant flaws. Gone forever would be the days of an unbeaten Auburn in the 2004 season not getting a chance at the title or the bizarre 2003 season where nearly everyone thought USC was the best team but it got left out anyway. The apologist argument that the complaints and controversies would never cease is silly. It’s pretty easy to tune out a three-loss Oklahoma State team. One-loss Texas? Not so much. Ignore outdated bowls BCS bowl games are the single worst deal in American sports. College football’s continued willingness to be fleeced by outside businessmen, who gleefully cut themselves in on millions in profits, is akin to the Knicks offering Stephon Marbury a contract extension right now. What other business outsources its most profitable and easily sold product – in this case postseason football? The bowls were needed back in the 1950s. These days they are nothing but leeches on the system. Outside of (again) nostalgia there is no value in these games. The NCAA could stage the games itself, cut out the middle men, and pocket tens of millions of extra revenue. It has no place in a real solution. You’re allowing business outside college football to determine how college football does its business. The bowl lobby is a powerful one though. ESPN itself owns six smaller games and isn’t going to rip the system. Most of the media blindly – or still drunk from bowl game media parties – follow the idea that a playoff must include the bowls. Just about every idea you’ll hear or read will use these bowls for the quarterfinals and these for the semifinals and all of it is ridiculous. The travel demands alone on teams and fans for three or four weeks of neutral sites make it implausible. Going neutral site makes seeds meaningless. This is exactly what the apologists want the debate to be about, a non starter of a solution. The solution, however, is to ignore the bowls. That isn’t to say eliminate them. The 34 bowl games can continue to operate outside of the playoff, just like any non-affiliated business. All the non-playoff teams can compete in them. With the BCS, only one game matters anyway. It’s not like the Sun Bowl is going to be all that different. If the people of El Paso want to continue staging the game, then they should. First- and second-round losers in a playoff could even take a slot in a late December bowl game. As long as the bowls don’t mess with the playoff, who cares what they do? The more football the better.
At worst some of the true bottom-feeder bowls (the ones owned by ESPN) will have to fold for lack of eligible teams. The death of the PapaJohns.com Bowl is a price I think everyone is willing to pay. Maybe even Papa John himself. Home games for higher seeds early The playoff would stage the first three rounds at the home field of the higher-seeded team before shifting to a neutral site, a la the Super Bowl. As a nod to history, it could be a rotation of famed stadiums such as the Rose Bowl, et al. This allows the playoff to capitalize on perhaps college football’s greatest asset – the pageantry, excitement and history of on-campus stadiums. There is nothing like a game day and it doesn’t matter whether you’re in Tuscaloosa or Ann Arbor or Norman or Los Angeles. Each one is uniquely thrilling and adds tremendous value to the product. So why does college football stage its postseason in antiseptic pro stadiums? Hosting games would be a boon to the schools and the campus communities – literally tens of millions of dollars into the local economy. It would also reward the higher seeds (again placing value on the regular season) by providing the distinct advantage of playing at home. To be a top two seed, and host through the championship game, would be a monster reward. This would also placate complaints from northern teams that are seemingly always playing bowl games near the campus of their opponent. We’ve seen, say, USC have its way with Ohio State and Michigan in Pasadena, but what if the Trojans had to travel to Ohio Stadium on a cold and snowy day? Perhaps USC could prove it has grit not just talent. Intra-sectional games have all but died out due to recent scheduling philosophies, but the idea of them returning each December and January, famous jerseys in famous faraway stadiums can warm any fanâs heart. The schedule While the former Division I-AA plays all four rounds in four weeks and stages the title game before Christmas, football’s top division might be better served playing the first one or two rounds in December, breaking for final exams and staging the semifinals just after Christmas and the title game in early January. Different schools have different academic schedules – two guys sent me a chart last year that showed there was no weekend when someone wasn’t having exams. However, college athletics has never allowed academics to stand in its way before. In this day of 12-team super leagues and midweek television games, this isn’t an excuse. Something can be worked out. One of the apologists’ greatest whines is that a playoff would make the season too long. It’s conceivable that some teams would play 17 games. Oh the horror! Mike Tranghese, commissioner of the Big East, once claimed, with a straight face, that so many players would be injured a team might not complete the playoff. Really? The kids at the old Division I-AA, Division II and III must just be tougher, even though they often sport smaller rosters than major college football. In plenty of states high school teams that win the state title play between 16 and 18 games and the best players often compete on both offense and defense. The NFL does it and more with just 53-man rosters. The truth is it’s not the number of games that raises the risk of injury; it’s the number of plays. Each snap of the ball is the trigger that puts bodies in motion and risks potential injury. A game is just a grouping of plays, it holds no value. Due to the way college football runs its clock, there are about 10 percent more plays in a college game than a pro one (135 to 122), which means they’re already playing an extra game, game and a half now. If they’re that concerned about the health of the players, they should continue to tinker with the clock to reduce the number of plays. This is just a weak smoke screen. If the suits who count the money in college athletics actually cared about the welfare of the players, the number of reforms would be dramatic. Staging fewer games would be deep on the to-do list. Since the college schedule would still be shorter than the NFL (12 to 16) and fewer teams would qualify for the playoffs (13.3 percent to 37.5 percent) the idea that the college regular season would become less meaningless wouldn’t seem to wash. There are plenty of meaningless games now as teams attempt to pad their record and just survive the season unbeaten, sneak into the title game and go for broke there. With a playoff, that wouldn’t be possible. You’d earn your title by surviving a four-game test that would rival the NFL playoffs. The presidents There’s nothing easier than blaming it on those guys. They don’t want a playoff, everyone says. The truth is they’ve never been presented a real playoff plan. Presidents are notoriously weak-spined and revenue desperate. Pressure and cash can change opinions in a hurry. They follow the herd. “It’s not a question of if there is going to be a playoff, it’s going to be a question of when,” T.K. Wetherell, president of Florida State said last spring. “It’s going to be driven by money. None of us sitting at this table … are ever going to admit that.” Unfortunately, last spring four leagues – the Big East, Big Ten, Big 12 and Pac-10 – fought to stop the SEC’s plan for a modest plus-one plan from even being discussed. The reason? They feared that once fans got a taste of even a mini-playoff, they’d demand a real playoff. Kind of like getting a taste of near beer; pretty soon you’re going to want the real thing.
No, sorry, I didn't. I ass-u-med that you were forgetting what every other idiot that brings up college playoffs forgets. That there is only so many TV dollars to go around. I still don't see any chance it will become reality. Not 8 teams or even 6 anyway.
16 teams and keep the other bowls so the weaker teams get another game and you can add the losers in the playoffs as it goes on till the final 4 anyway. Final 4 will be played at 1 of the BCS stadiums on a rotational basis. Losers of the round of 8 get to play 4 at large teams at the BCS stadiums. There are 29 other bowls with 21 of them being filled before the playoffs. The remaining 8 will be filled by at larges and teams that get knocked out in the 1st round. 54(21 bowls * 2 teams + 12 at larges) + 16 playoff teams = 70 postseason teams
0, playoffs start the next week after championship week and ends the 1st week of Jan. 4 rounds in 4 weeks.
I like the idea of a 16 team playoff with the 8 highest seeds hosting 1st round games. You take 11 conference champs even Florida Atlantic and Houston or whoever comes out of Conference USA (ECU beat V Tech and WVU in consecutive weeks so you know the chance of an upset is there) if Notre Dame is ranked in the Top 16 of the computer rankings they get an invite as an at large. There would be a 2 team Max from each conference and BCS standings would determine at large invites to avoid the garbage you get in the Basketball tourney with 18-13 Big 10 teams getting invited when they have no business. You still have the Bowl Games and eliminate the BCS Bowls as they will host semi and quarter action. You add the Cotton Bowl and either the Holiday Bowl or the Peach Bowl or Gator Bowl to the Major Bowls and have quarter final and semi final games played there on a rotating basis. Then as is the case now you on a rotating basis have a national title game. Example fro this year 16 teams would be Alabama Florida Oklahoma or Mizzou (This would actually be a huge advantage for Texas) Texas Penn State Ohio State USC Utah Boise State Ball State or Buffalo Tulsa or East Carolina Troy Cincinnati V Tech or Boston College At large by virtue of BCS would be Florida, Ohio State, Texas, TCU and Georgia Tech 1st round.... Troy would be lowest seeded team followed by CUSA Champ or Buffalo Troy @ Alabama Tulsa @ Oklahoma ACC Champ @ Texas Georgia Tech @ Florida Cincinnati @ USC Ball State @ Utah TCU @ Penn State Ohio State @ Boise Round Two Ohio State vs Bama @ Sugar Bowl Penn State vs Oklahoma @ Fiesta Bowl Utah vs Texas @ Holiday Bowl USC vs Florida @ Cotton Bowl Round 3 Bama vs Oklahoma @ Rose Bowl Texas vs Florida @ Orange Bowl Champinship played in Miami Florida vs Oklahoma The one issue I see is travel.... well Carolina fans will go to the 1st round game likely in North Carolina, they'll then go to the Sweet 16 round and should they make the Final Four they'll be there too. If they can do it for basketball they can do it for football.
