Signings * CB - Asante Samuel: I know this goes against the Mangini/Tannenbaum/Woody style, but I think this year served as a wakeup call that this team needs to add an impact player. Samuel certainly fits the bill plus he has a history with Mangini. Pairing him up with Revis would give the Jets one of the league's premier safety combinations in the league. * OL - Stacy Andrews: The Jets looked at him last season. Is a good run blocker and has good versatility. I would expect him to be able to slide right in at either LG or RT. * NT - Ethan Kelley: Is he a Wilfork or Casey Hampton? No, but he would be a nice upgrade at the NT spot. * WR - Bryant Johnson: A former 1st round pick, Johnson has been overshadowed by the dynamic duo of Larry Fitzgerald and Anquan Boldin in Arizona. He provides good height at 6'3" and can stretch the field. * DE - Tommy Kelly: He's a risk since he's missed the second half of 2007, but he has good size for DE and has experience in the 3-4 defense. * S - Eugene Wilson: This may be wishful thinking, but injuries and inconsistency have led to him losing his starting job in New England. As a result, I wonder if you can sign him at a bargain to pair with Kerry Rhodes at safety. * QB - Chris Simms: With Jeff Garcia and Luke McCown in town, I think Simms is a goner. There is definitely some risk here with Chris, but if healthy, the upside is there. It's easy to forget that he led Tampa to the playoffs back in 2005. 2(b). Releases * WR Justin McCareins * DE Sean Ellis * LB Matt Chatham * CB David Barrett Ellis is the big name here, but he's getting up there in age and is just not the player he used to be. At this point, it is pretty hard to justify that salary for a non-starter (see the draft for more explanation). Since I don't think you could get much in a trade for Robertson, I'd rather keep the younger, more talented and versatile Robertson than Ellis. Barrett vs Dyson is a tossup, but with Justin Miller, Poteat and Coleman still around for depth, I'll stick with Dyson despite his extensive injury history. 3. Re-signings (Notable) *Hank Poteat: I think he is a solid 3rd/4th corner. Unfortunately he has been pressed into a starting role here at times. *Kerry Rhodes: He's not a free agent, but he's arguably the team's best player and needs to be locked up ASAP. 4. Trades * Pick #3 and Chad Pennington to Kansas City for pick #5 and 37. With the age on defense I think the pressure is on Herm to win now. The trade up allows them to snage an OT who can play now (Jake Long) and gets a QB to compete/overtake Croyle in Pennington. * Trade 3rd and 4th rounder for a mid 2nd rounder to select Roy Schueing to help overhaul the OL. * Trade a 5th rounder and conditional 09 pick to Oakland for Andrew Walter. He's young, but has experience and would be good insurance for Clemens/Simms with the potential to be a lot more than that. One guy who is still on the roster is Vilma. If you can get a 2nd rounder for him, I'd have to strongly consider it. However, it sounds like with his health concerns you might not get a day 1 pick for him. I know he has struggled in the 3-4, but I'd rather gamble on him working out better with a larger DL and a more talented LB group (most notably playing with Harris) than give him away for a 4th rounder. 5. Draft * 1(5) - DE/LB Chris Long (Virginia): I know the term "Mangini guy is overused at times, but if anyone qualifies as one, it's Long. He's been a dominant 3-4 DE and shows rare pass-rushing ability at the position. He's also considered a leader and has great blood lines. Some have questioned his size in the 3-4, but adding two big bodies in Ethan Kelley/Tommy Kelly (plus playing Dewayne more at DE) makes the issues of Long's size less of a concern. I think the Jets could/would use his athleticism to also play some at linebacker (remember Ellis lining up at LB at times?). * 2(3) - DE/OLB Quentin Groves (Auburn): I know this season has been a disapointment, but he has the talent to be a premier pass rusher in this league. * 2 (5) - OT Gosder Cherilus (Boston College) at 6'7" he has the potential to be a mauler at RT. Some think he might be limited to the RT position which is why I think he could fall to the Jets in round 2. * 2 - OG Roy Schuening (Oregon State) He appears to be the top guard in the draft and a good run blocker. Might be able to start right away.
Quentin Groves in the second round is a monster steal. The guy was beasting it before he dislocated 3 toes, and he's likely to blow people away at the combine. I'm not a Chris Long in the 3-4 fan.
* Pick #3 and Chad Pennington to Kansas City for pick #5 and 37. With the age on defense I think the pressure is on Herm to win now. The trade up allows them to snage an OT who can play now (Jake Long) and gets a QB to compete/overtake Croyle in Pennington. I would sign for that trade. I don't know about your signings though, you spent like 30 million in the FA market, lol .............. this isn't washington though. I think a better Wilson to sign at safety is Gibril. Why do we want a guy in Eugene Wilson who has lost his starting job because of sub par play. Gilbril is the best DB the giants have year in and out, but for some reason they are jerking him around. I'd give him 1.5-2 million and make the most physical, fastest, hardest hitting, best tackling Safety Duo in the Divison.
First off, if everyone jumped off a cliff would you do it too??? (bad joke aimed at your thread title) I like the offseason you put together although I'm still not sold at all on Chris Long. I'd rather pick up Gholston at #5 and pick up a DE in the 2nd round. Again, if we are keeping Vilma around I think we are going to need a lot more size along the line. You actually are the first person to give me a good reason Long might be a good choice though. If they occasionally lined him up at LB like they did with Ellis, that could maximize his talents. I'm beginning to think as long as we get good value with our picks, there aren't MANY ways the Jets can screw up this draft. I don't want to jinx us but we aren't in too bad of a situation.
Good job. I like drafting both sides of the line early and often. And extra picks in the first 2 rounds
The first thing I thought of was that the trade with KC seems like we are getting stiffed. I like the idea of trading down with KC and giving them Pennington, but the trade value chart (if any cares about it any more) has the #3 at 2200 and the #5 at 1700. There is a different of 520. KC's second rounder is worth 530, so Pennington essentially gets thrown in for free. Other than that, though, I like it. Nicely done.
I realize it's not great value according to the chart. Considering the cost of signing a top 5 pick, I think picks at the top end of the draft are "overpriced" according to the chart. I don't think it's a coincidence that there haven't been any trades within the top 5 picks of the last three drafts. Also, I think you have to look at it as the actual player rather than a faceless pick. I know it's early right now, but considering talent and need, there appears to be a bit of a drop off after the top 5 or so picks (McFadden, Chris Long, Jake Long, Gholston, Dorsey) IMO. I'm personally willing to take a bit less on the "value" to ensure that I still land one of those players, especially if it's McFadden, Chris Long or Gholston.
I can understand the concerns about Long and his size. I'd be lying if it wasn't a concern, but there are two things that make confident about his ability to succeed as a 3-4 DE in the NFL. 1. From what I've read, Long uses his hands as good as if not better than any lineman in a long time. It would seem to indicate that he doesn't rely on his strength and size as much as a typical DL. 2. He has played as a 3-4 DE at UVA. I know college is different from the pros, so I'm less concerned about the transition. As to Gholston, I like him a lot and he's probably my #3 choice (behind McFadden and Chris Long). For some reason, I just see Parcells taking him at either at pick #1 or after a trade down. Everywhere Parcells has gone, he has used high picks for 3-4 OLBs (LT with the Giants, McGinnest with the Pats, Abraham with the Jets and Ware with the Cowboys).
Normally an offseason with a bunch of trades doesn't work out, but this one is actually well done. Here's my breakdown...... To start, could we possibly fit all of those free agents within our cap space? If you take away Tommy Kelly and Eugene Wilson, this seems more reasonable. There's no need for Tommy Kelly if we were to draft Chris Long in the 1st. Coleman/Long/Mosely seems OK. I'd also stick with Ellis or restructure his contract. We can make do with Coleman/Smith/Elam/Rhodes at safety. Right now they're top 10 in the NFL against the pass. Samuel will cost a fortune, kind of like Nate Clements did for San Fran last season. I believe New England will let him go and play Brandon Merriwether in his place, but if we can't get him, we'd need a CB in the class below "elite," as Samuel is in. I like Ethan Kelly to rotate with Robertson and/or Pouha. Good pick up. I also like Bryant Johnson. If not him, Bernard Berrian would be a great fit, as Adam Schein and Solomon Wilcots talked about on Sirius NFL Radio recently. Stacy Andrews is also a good fit and is supposedly versatile. He certainly has that size this line lacks. Simms could be a steal if he finds his 2005 form. Worth it. Good job resigning Poteat and Rhodes. Maybe we keep Barrett though and cut Dyson since he's been inactive for quite some time. Throw in Justin Miller and David Bowens to those cuts. Two Pitt CBs is great in my book. :grin: The Pennington trade actually makes sense and is very reasonable. Herm and Penny can be reunited as KC acquires a solid starter and mentor. Trading up for an OG is an OK move and giving up that little for Andrew Walter, who needs a shot somewhere other than the QB killing Raiders. Keep Vilma. We have a bigger NT and a nice 3-4 DE now. I'd be OK with two OL picks as well. Also, consider another pass-rushing OLB such as Titans Travis Laboy or Antwan Odom. This is for depth at least, but at best one of them starts while Hobson moves to ILB and Eric Barton/Brad Kassell gets axed. Of all the off-seasons I've seen on this board, most of them lousy and "Madden-esque", this is the best one thus far. Good job. :up:
Few thoughts here 1. I think Bryant Johnson can land a starting spot as a 2nd WR in a few places, so I dont know if he would settle being a 3rd WR after doing that in Arizona. 2. Dont see the Pennington deal happening simply because I dont know what KC would be willing to trade up 2 spots and give more guaranteed money in the 3rd pick. They are definitely after J Long but would they really fear Atlanta who may pick 4th on taking him with their RB and QB needs? 3. I think Simms can land a starting gig in another place like A Carolina or Baltimore. Maybe Miami.....I would defintely look into if Sage Rosenfals of Houston if he is a available FA. PERFECT backup who can start games and help you. But the FA signings you put are stuff I would defintely like to see. I dont see Samuel coming here with the cheapness of Woody but maybe I can be surprised.
I think it is unrealistic to do all the signings with our draft space but I think a lot of it makes sense
Well some people lately have tossed the name Namdi Asomungh around as the CB to steal to play opposite Revis. Namdi is currently in Oakland tearing up the league, but not garnering the attention he deserves because he's doing it in Oakland and not New England. and instead of Eugene Wilson, I liked the idea of Gibril Wilson. How does this secondary look to you? CB: Darelle Revis CB: Asante Samuel/ Namdi Asomungh FS: Gibril Wilson SS: Kerry Rhodes Who wants to pass against that? It would be almost like cheating... Of course toss in Bryant Johnson/Bernard Berrian, Ethan Kelley and the draft you had, and low and behold we should knock loose a few heads next season... Wow a quick depth chart would be, QB: Clemens, Simms, Walter, RB: Jones, Washington FB: Kowalewski ?? WR: Coles, Cotchery, Johson/Berrian, Smith, Stuckey, Wright TE: Baker, Ryan, Pociask LT: Ferguson LG: Andrews, Montgomery, Bender C: Mangold RG: Roy Schuening, Moore, Clarke RT: Gosder Cherilus, Clement DE: Long/Kelly/Robertson NT: Ethan Kelly, Robertson, Pouha DE: Coleman, Kelly, Robertson LOLB: Groves, Hobson, Thomas ILB: Harris, Vilma, Hobson, Barton ROLB: Barton, Thomas, Hobson CB: Revis, Asomugh, Poteat, Miller, Dyson, Coleman FS: Gibril Wilson, Erik Coleman, Erik Smith SS: Rhodes, Smith K: Nugent P: Graham ??? KR: Washington/ Miller PR: Washington/ Miller I mean I know it's not a 53 man roster, but for the love of God it's deeper than we are today, its better in almost every way, and with a rediculous amount of competition making it so if you want to play you have to bring your A-game every day, because that guy below you will take your spot in a heart beat. I love it! and our secondary makes my mouth water. If only Tannenbaum were to read this thread and make it happen....
Chris Simms would be a really good backup for us, i forgot about him since he lost favor with Gruden but he is solid.Stacy Andrews if he is signed should play guard and we could pick up an OT in the draft, ther should bstill be a good one in the third.Eugene wilson i dont like so much, Gibril already plays strong safety so he fits better.
How could we possibly get all those FAs? I know we have a lot of cap space, but damn! Do we take any cap hits w/those releases? Asante Samuel is gonna want more money than Nate Clements was overpaid last year. We'd have to release Eric Barton & his fat contract in order to even get a sniff of Samuel. No way Gosder Chelius gets into the 2nd round I myself have been a big supporter of picking up Ethan Kelley in the offseason, but today I found out not only was he put on IR today, but according to NFL.com, this is the THIRD straight season he has ended up on IR.
Can You SAy Super Bowl Signings CB - Asante Samuel: Him and Revis, We can stop the Patriots, and we have a defensive playmaker RT - Jordan Gross Rolb- Terrell Suggs Wr- Bryant Johnson Fs- Gibril Wilson Trades Pennington to chiefs for 2nd rounder Chris Baker and Kowaleski for Raiders TE zach miller Mock Draft 1 (3) - Darren McFadden 2 (3) - Quentin Groves 2 (7) - Gosder Cherilus 3 (3) - Roy Schuening 4 (3) - Kendall Langford 5 (3) - Whitney Lewis 6 (3) - Owen Schmidt 7 (3) -Josh Johnson Depth Chart qb clemens rb mcfadden fb schmidt wr coles cotchery johnson te miller lt D brick lg cherilus c mangold rg schuening rt gross dt robertson lde langford rde ellis lolb groves lilb harris rilb vilma rolb suggs cb Revis cb samuel fs wilson ss rhodes
We're not getting better than a 4th for Pennington. See the Trent Green deal. Vilma won't be traded, you need depth at the position and his trade value is half what it was before the injury, what would be the point? The player I want in the first round is Jake Long. He'll be our LT and move Brick to RT(a position he was always better suited for) if we get a decent guard in FA we'll have a much better line(Faneca?). resign-LC- I know he gets hurt, but is the toughest and most talented player on the team. Rhodes-contract extension. now. I think Asanti will be too expensive for what he is. But we need another corner. Need a third receiver,bye Jmac! good heart, bad hands. Might have cost us 2 wins with endzone drops. Brad is a #4 and special teamer. We DON't need Mc Fadden. We need a PASS RUSHER/LINE PENETRATOR. Best available fit? Haynesworth? Suggs? Bryan Thomas has killed this team 2x's. The day he was drafted and the day we gave him a monster contract extension. Time to figure out what he is and restructure or cut. Might have o wait a year. What a horrible season by him. Was the invisible man on the D this year with no apparent injury.
we dont need him????????? did you see what happened to the vikings when they took adrian peterson now they are in the playoff hunt i think we need an offensive weapon and that will take a lot of pressure of jones and clemens ....he will be huge.
Peterson did what he did because of that O-Line. He ran behind the best guard and one of the best LT in football(when Hutch was in Seattle the starting Rb ran for 28 TD's and nearly 2,000 yds. This is not a coincidence.) Chester Taylor ran for nearly 200 yds in a game when Peterson was out behind that line. Clemens got his ribs broken because of the O-LINE. Unless McFadden plays Guard he doen't stop that. Our QB's looked like rag dolls this year. O LINE. Rb's have become dispensable. Joe Thomas was more important in what happened in Cleveland this year than Peterson was in Minny.
