[table="head"]Round|Player|POS|College 1st | Barkevious Mingo | OLB | LSU 1st | Tyler Eifert | TE | Notre Dame 2nd | DeAndre Hopkins | WR | Clemson 3rd | Phillip Thomas | FS | Fresno St. 4th | Stepfan Taylor | RB | Stanford 5th | Dion Sims | TE | Michigan St. 6th | Ryan Griffin | QB | Tulane 7th | Joe Kruger | DE | Utah [/table] I would take Tavon Austin at #9, but I think someone is going to trade up w/ Buffalo and take him right before us.
I've recently had an affinity toward Mingo. What are you opinions on Austin? He's mainly a slot receiver and Kerley is coming off a career year mainly being in the slot
You know I don't like Mingo... he might be the one player I want nothing to do with. I just see Jet fans being extremely disapointed with what he might turn out to be. I think his bust potential is higher than his boom potential. I like Eifert and I really like Phillip Thomas, a very highly productive player who can play the position very good. It also helps that his new position coach with the Jets came from Fresno State
not sure Mur......is mingo at 9?? not sure if our new GM wants to stake his 1st jet draft pick on this much risk.... i keep flopping a bit as well but i would be more comfortable with jjones than mingo at 9. if we trade out and take mingo lower down AFTER we make a pick than i think we could all live with it. the rest is quality as usual
I LOVE Austin. Unfortunately I think the Bills do too or will trade to a team that does as well. Austin is a game breaker that we haven't had in a LONG time
He's definitely one of those players that people have such varying opinions of. The reason why I am so high on him is he's long armed, gets off the ball quickly, speed and high effort guy who can be an off-the-edge rusher. I'm not as high on Jones. He seems to get swallowed up at the point a lot.
If this draft happens I'm starting up a collection pool to put out a hit on Idzik. Will have details on where to send donations tomorrow.
I'm cool with it but I think 2 TEs is overdone and I think Ivory comes to us in round 5 so give us a guard/tackle in round 4. Someone like David Quessenberry who plays all 3 spots could be what the doctor ordered.
We can't afford to draft a likely bust position on potential at 9. We have 3 starting receivers this year and although it's a weak corps we can easily add a starting WR next year when it's actually needed and provide depth with a later round WR this year. I'd rather go all out to get a proven NFL commodity in Ivory than spend a 4th on HB and there are 0 picks on OL. If every single pick you make works out perfectly which is extremely unlikely in any draft it'll probably work out to a middling result from what we could have done regardless.
Every player can be a bust. Mingo can be an elite pass rusher. We need playmakers on offense. Holmes is going to be gone next year and Hill is a big question mark. This mock was not one drawn up with trades so as of now we have ALL of our picks and no Ivory.
It's a question of probability with Mingo. He is literally the riskiest pick we could possibly make at 9 and if he busts it will decimate our draft and probably our chances to put together a very strong team in 2014. If he hits he probably won't outproduce Jordan to start with, (who I realize will probably be gone but if he is gone it opens other options at 9) or even Jones realistically although Jarvis has his own separate of concerns. The point is that if Mingo is the best OLB choice at 9 we are compelled to do something, anything else. Hill is a question mark although I tend to see him developing into a very good player for us not that it matters. He was an early 2nd last year. Drafting an early 2nd again this year guarantees that at least one of them is going to be more or less useless for us longterm. We'll still need another high WR next year or be forever doomed to a middling corps. It just makes 0 sense given our laundry list of actual needs right now. A mock with no trades is fine...but Ivory is a way better cost and fit for our situation right now than an unproven 4th round RB. It just seems that this draft paints us in a corner and there is no way to get out of it clean. Have to play the probabilities.
Holmes is likely gone after this season, so getting Hopkins to go with Kerley and maybe a developing Hill would be a nice start to 2014 and would not require us to pick a WR early in 2014. Mingo is a hit or miss player, but he is highly thought of in F.P. and if he's there (and Austin isn't) in a no trade scenario then they will take Mingo. You also keep mentioning needs. We have MANY needs. But the draft is not the only place used to fill needs and nor should it be. The draft is a way to get young, impactful players.
I really do understand the idea of Mingo developing into an NFL player... I just don't think that's a situation the Jets need to get themselves into. They need play from early draft picks immediately. Mingo can't really play the intermediate pass well and he needs to gain weight, which may or may not slow him down. Probably may. I also think it will be a mistake if the Jets sink an early first round pick into defense. If they do that, there is a higher probablility in my mind that Rex gets fired, and we move into a different defense that will likely not be similar to a Rex Ryan defense. Who knows how many current defensive player won't fit into the next scheme? WCO is common, and many players that excel in it can also be incorporated into a number of other formations, due to the familiarity of routes and signals; the main difference is terminology, which can be learned. The same cannot be said on defense. You draft a player for a very specific responsibility, and then you train them to learn the wrinkles that incorporate other philosophies. Defense is far more rigid than offense. I'd prefer that we didn't draft defense until at least the third round if not later.
Honestly, I'd prefer we take Jamie Collins in the 3rd round than Mingo with the #9. One other possiblitiy in this mock would be to take Jonathan Cooper with the 9, but that may be slightly high for him. I'd take Cooper over Warmack only because he may be better for the WCO.
You're trying to solve next years problem at WR with the pick...but we can solve it easily not to mention more effectively next year. Nobody including me or you knows what we need next year at WR. Maybe Hill learns to catch and becomes an unguardable monster before this season is done. Maybe he busts. Maybe Holmes plays so well it becomes viable to throw more money at him. Maybe maybe maybe. I know that we could make a good WR group starring Austin with Kerley as a roleplayer and Hill if he develops (replacing him if he doesn't). I know that I have no idea whether a group starring Hopkins could be strong with Kerley and whatever Hill turns into. So then what if it isn't? Oops...let's just draft 2 more WR's next year to get rid of Kerley who is perfectly useful if there are 2 other strong threats. It's Vietnam. As long as we're going to ignore actual needs and try to improve the team by sideskirting the real issues with good players at positions of lesser need I'd pick Star everytime over Mingo and play the draft out from there. He would have to be there if Austin was taken along with Jordan.
