Maybe It's Time For A Change

Surprised to hear you say that junc. It won't help though. I think everybody will find out that Clemens isn't the answer to what ails this team either. At least we will find out if we will be needing to look for a QB in next year's draft.

 

I don't think most of the people calling for Clemens think he is the answer this year. What is known is that the Jets season is going down hill fast and we'd like to see what our future QB is made of and get him some experince.

Chad has been a warrior for the Jets, but his time with this team is quickly comming to an end.

 

Everyone seems ready to blame chad for the season. or mangini. or somebody. the simple fact is our players are not as good as the players on other teams. They may be about the same size, speed or whatever, but in the man-to-man play they get beat. Dyson by Buress, x by y. You only need a few of these to lose. Last night buffalo loss proved its a whole team effort. Offense stunk, defense 5 takeaways, return for td by special teams yet the special teams lost the onside kick and the defense allowed them to move downfield just enough for the kick.
We can play KC but that will not change the season. Personally i would play him because i feel the line can protect him enough so he won't get killed and he needs the experience to be ready when we get better players. I don't mind if we lose all the rest of teh games as long as the players try 100%. if they give the effort but are not good enough, well you can't ask for more from the player. You CAN ask management to get better players! If they are not good enough then its managements job to make the appropriate personnel decisions. 11 more games to make evaluations. No good asking for 4-3 if coach wants 3-4. no good getting running back if line can't open enough holes. The true test of tangini will be the start of next year.we will learn a lot by their decisions by then. Maybe we can be worst to first team.

 

Certainly sounds like a valid reason to blame Mangini to me.

 

Bleed - who is blaming Chad? Mangini deserves the blame...doesn't he?

NYJUNC, I'm pleased to read your post starter. I have the same opinion - Chad is doing all he can do under the circumstances. Obviously we know his strengths and limitations, and there is no need to go over and over and over them.

With the team 1-4 and looking poor, it seems time to find out what we have in Kellen Clemens. Can he be our QB of the future? No reason to bury him on the bench and watch and see what we already know.

 

Nobody deserves the blame, Mangini can't be blamed for taking over a team that lacks the horses necessary to compete. He can be blamed when he has had enough time to rebuild a team that was built to win 3 to 5 years ago and fell short before decaying totally. You can't blame Chad either because his arm is shot from two injuries, surgeries and rehabs. Developing a young QB takes time and rebuilding takes time. Blame is just reaction to what's obvious about this team, it's not that talented.

 

You can blame Mangini for this year's draft, trades and lack of FA signings. The problems this team has are not new. He completely overlooked them to acquire pieces we didn't need and can only be viewed as luxuries.

You don't need a CB when you can't stop the run.

You don't need a RB when you can't open a hole.

 

Green- many,many posts blaming chad. Why blame mangini at this point? He took team to 10-6 first year. Remember-it was only his first year-both with team and as a head coach. mgmt. got a running back we needed plus 2 high draft picks on defense, which needed improvement. Yes, play calling often sucks this year, but last year showed EM has guts. He didn't get stupid overnight. Yes, dline can't do the job, but perhaps they couldn't get the appropriate players through trades or by playing craps in the draft. yes, kendall loss seems to hurt, but kendall was not all pro anyway. If people expected this tougher schedule to result in same or better record, good luck to them. did we expect team to be this bad, no, but i say again that represents an opportunity for management, after their second year, to really get a grasp on the personnel. the time to evaluate and cast blame is the start of next season, after the moves have been made. hindsight is always perfect. lets see where their analyses process leads them.

 

This years draft wasn't about this year it was about building for the future. We got a starting CB and a solid LB who will be a part of the Front 7 for years. We also got two guys who may well start on this team in the very near future, Stockey and Bender. That's a great draft any way you look at it.

Jones cost us very little and he will be on this team for at least 3 years. We needed a running back because we simply didn't have enough on the roster.

Which FA should we have brought in this year?

 

Adalius Thomas. Now, what could we have gotten in a trade for that #6 in the second round that we used on Jones? Anything we wanted.

And we are paying Jones and Revis a fortune. I'm tired of hearing we aren't drafting for this year but for the future. What makes you think anybody we have now will even be here in the future when their contracts run out? The Jets have the worst record in the league of keeping their players.

 

The Jets right now have bottom 10 talent in the NFL if you look at the overall roster. That's why this year's draft was such a disaster. In the situation the Jets are in they need quality depth and lots of people capable of potentially starting on the roster.

Is this Mangini's fault? Partially.

Is this Tannenbaum's fault? Partially.

Is this Bradway's fault? Moreso than the above because it's the fallout from his inept drafting and free agent decisions that has stripped the Jet's roster of most of it's talent. A good roster is the product of 3 to 5 years effort. When that 3 to 5 years was spent trading up in the draft, letting key free agents depart and locking up suspect stars to huge contracts you wind up with what we have now.

Is any of this Chad's fault? Nope. He's over and done with but it's not his fault that he is what this offense is built around. That falls on the 3 people above in the order they are listed.

BTW, I think a complete regime change would not be a disaster at this point if we could get a Parcells-type football guy in here to run the show. Not Marty though, I have no interest in getting to the top of the NFL only to find we cannot win in the playoffs at that point.

 

A CB pushes offenses to Run the ball against you.

Running the ball slows the game down, and lowers the score.

Then you can compete, and try to take games away, in the 4th quarter.

Nobody ran on the Vikings last year....Tell me how that worked out....

 

We are not paying either one of them a fortune based on the revised cap they are both reasonable especially since Revis is allready a quality NFL CB.

Unlike the last regime this one is resigning players they want to keep before their walk years.

 

I’m tired of this horse SH#@ about this team having a lack of talent and It’s the Coaching staff and its Chad and it’s the defense. There are plenty of teams @ 2-3 and 4-1 that get burned with the run and long pass plays. The Jets are no different today then last year in terms of potential and player talent. Oh Vilma's in the wrong system or the O-line is the reason for our Offensive struggles, it all bull. Games come down to just a few play's and we al watched what play's those were. It reminds me of the 99 season when Mirer Wasn’t given the Chance to throw down field for some reason and then he gave way for Ray Lucas; does any one remember what the difference was that year... It was the two Indy games we almost won them both. If we had that year; come up with those plays in the end zone then we may have even made the playoffs. Its comes down to a handful of play's. The brown are no more talented then the Jets but hung 50+ points on the Bengal’s. There are so many chances to throw Chad’s inabilities into this post but I won’t. This season’s current outcome has come down to a few plays not made!

 

Junc, I have to tell you, your posting this morning has me in shock. If you next mention how the Yankees need to resign A-Rod, I might just take the rest of the day off and go fishing, or something.

 

Even the most avid Chad supporter has to come to the realization that his run is over.

 

well,the season is mathematically over yet. But i do think we absolutely have to see what we have in Clemens when it is. I'm not sold on him one bit,but i don't have much to go on. People for some reason are hyping the kid(probably just because he's not Chad)so we do need to see if qb is yet another hole to fill.
Between the Jets and the Yankees,i've f---ing had it with sports.

 

Junc, have to say i'm definitely surprised by this -- pleasantly surprised that you're willing to accept that it's time for Pennington to pass the torch. look, none of us really want to have our QB position in question, but we know that a change is necessary.

this is right. Revis and Harris are the future, not win-now guys; that was the point of drafting them. if you can get guys that are your future and you're almost certain of it, i say do it. granted, maybe we could have gotten guys on the lines that are the future, but it's done and over with.

this upcoming Offseason, the big changes will me made (they better) and we'll see many new faces next year on D; that and the OL/DL will have to be addressed.

 

A CB pushes offenses to Run the ball against you.

Running the ball slows the game down, and lowers the score.

Then you can compete, and try to take games away, in the 4th quarter.

Nobody ran on the Vikings last year....Tell me how that worked out....


i guess if you pass all the time cb's would have a big part. but nobody runs on minnesota because of their line, not their cb's. we didnt draft revis to deter the pass as to cause teams to run it down our neck.