http://turnonthejets.com/2017/12/new-york-jets-loss-monday-vent-week-15/ Yeah.. We can absolutely trust this FO/CS to make the right call on Qb's.
Eh I'll try to give Petty the benefit of the doubt as his first start was in the big easy which is tough as is. Also I kinda felt the game plan was vanilla for him. Either they didn't want to give him too much, or he can't execute everything yet. I was content with his decision making, disappointed in his accuracy, like the arm talent.
Petty is awful, so I'm not sure the coaching staff and front office could have made him much more than what he is.
Considering they've also only had shitty QBs to work with in Petty and Hackenberg, I think I'm right too. Self-inflicted, but still.
Well, the Jets only draft shitty Qb's.. Its what we do. Except for 4 times over the last 50 years, its the ONLY thing we do.
I can't help but feel that the organization knows the fans are fed up with the retreads under center and they HAVE TO do something to get a FQB, even if it means being very aggressive with trading up. I'm hoping we can position ourselves to grab Mayfield without having to move up.
Thats a valid article. I’ve long said I want to see this regime commit to a qb, make his success priority 1 and draft accordingly. This is the year. 2015 was a fluke thing. I understand why they doubled down in 2016. Hated it but I understand. They gave their 2 picked qbs a chance this year and they failed so there isn’t much of an option left. If Mac n Bowles want to stay here they have to either win next year with a retread or start developing a real hope for the near future.
With regards to QB development in the NFL, it's all about scheme fit and time. The most successful QBs in the league run offenses that compliment their skill set. Not all QBs can run the WCO, Pistol, Spread...etc. each scheme require different skill sets. Successful QBs also tend to stay in same offense for the majority of their careers. The coaches may change from year to year but the scheme remains. These QBs get to be so proficient in their offense that they become part OC on the field. The Jets in recent history have been terrible at understanding and/or unlucky with this. Exhibits: A. Favre had to run sh*tty's verbally complicated "Air Coryell" offense to start after spending more than a decade mastering the WCO. B. Sanchez's play in the WCO from high school through college garnered him a 1st round grade. He never got a chance to play in the WCO as a Jet. He jacked up his shoulder the year we finally hired a WCO OC, Marty Mornhinweg. C. Geno's elevation as a prospect came after putting up video game numbers under the Spread his senior year. So, of course, we put him in the WCO his rookie year. When we do hire Chan Gailey, an OC who has a scheme with Spread principles in it, Geno gets his jaw smashed in for what amounts to couch change. D. Hackenberg found success as a freshman running Bill O'Brien prostyle vertical offense then struggled mightily for 2 years in Franklin's Spread offense. Even knowing Chan Gailey's offense has a lot of Spread principles we still draft him. I'm starting to think our inability to match QB prospects with the right schemes and allow them time to get well versed in said schemes is a toxic byproduct of our organizational structure. If you have the GM hire the coach, then the GM can higher a coach that share his offensive and/or defensive philosophy. For example, the Green Bay Packers have been running the WCO for the better part of 30 years, maybe more. When considering and offensive minded head coach Ted Thompson favors coaches with that background. Same can be said of his predecessor, Ron Wolf. If Thompson would to ever have to replace McCarthy, best believe they would still be running the WCO. This same thought process is applied when it's time for them to draft a QB. All QB prospects are looked at through the prism of "does he fit the WCO?". It's hard to develop that kind of continuity of vision when both GM and HC report to the owner. What you end up with is Shitty's "Air Coryell" based O to MM's WCO to Sparano's "I'm Just Winging It" to Gailey's Spread based O back to the WCO. It would be hard for even the most talented of prospects to develop under these ever changing schemes. This same principle can be applied to the defensive side of the ball. Defenses that have found sustainable success for long periods of time tend to stick to one scheme as personnel and coaches come and go.
Petty deserves no passes. He missed some wide open throws and made some terrible reads. Anderson and Kearse were visibly frustrated by it. I don't think it's a stretch to say that if we had McCown, we probably win this game.
Right but the guy I was responding to was saying NO was a tough road game (historically) but in reality the crowd was not a factor until late.
While I do agree with you, especially some of the short throws....every single issue can be attributed to lack of proper coaching. Those short throws are a direct correlation to horrid footwork. If we can't get a coach to teach the basics....Doesn't matter who dafuq is at QB We haven't had proper coaching for a QB if ever!!! This is mind blowing to me.
While you are mostly dead on with this post, we just recently changed to this new power structure with Bowles and Mac. Starting with Sanchez the problem was Rex retaining schotty because he could not have cared less about who ran the offense, then he threw schotty under and inexplicably took on soprano.(personally I think that was Parcells getting Tanny to do a solid for a Parcells guy but I can’t prove it.) Marty went out the door with the wholesale clearing that should have took place when Tanny was fired. So that’s not because of the new structure. Gailey left on his own accord, so we can’t blame that on the new structure. It’s the turnover that hurts the development and maybe the hiring of rookie hcs that do not have an established philosophy just yet is hurting that turnover as they change their staffs as things don’t work out but I am not sure Bowles reporting to Mac would really change things. Best part is we will be picking another qb this draft and the coach and gm will be on the hot seats so if it looks bad this year we are likely to have the same mismatch qb philosophy you illustrated when we hire a new regime that inherits that qb. But screw it as long as we get To fire every one every so often
I said in another thread, petty hits the qb gurus in the offseason just like many other qbs do. It was even stated in the telecast. It’s not just the nyj coaches coaching him up. If he isn’t getting it a lot of that is on him
To be fair to the CS, ideally footwork and mechanics are things that should be addressed before you get to the NFL. We should be asking ourselves why are we in the business of drafting guys with bad footwork and mechanics anyway. Those who read my posts in the Draft forum can attest that having good feet and solid mechanics are a prerequisite of mine. A QB's feet have such a direct impact to their accuracy; it's too important to overlook. I can "almost" understand looking past these fundamentals when evaluating a uniquely gifted talent, like a Lamar Jackson for example, but for anyone else, it's is really unforgivable. What was so special about Petty and Hack, that Mac felt it was OK to look the other way? Anyway, I digress.
IMO it's hard to know how much is poor play on the player's part and how much is poor coaching. A great coach can only take a player so far. I'll be watching Petty to see if he looks any better over the next couple games. He did make a few excellent throws, but man he was missing a lot of easy ones badly. An NFL QB needs to hit more of those. But hey, let's see him the next couple games. I hope they let him air it out more
You can tell Morton's game plan was to shorten the game and limit the Saints offensive possessions with the running the game. Also, it looked like they wanted give Petty some easy throws to get into rhythm, a common approach used when ushering in an inexperienced QB. What he probably didn't anticipate was the easy throws not being so easy for Petty. Oddly enough, Petty seemed a bit more comfortable throwing the ball downfield then 5 yards in front of him. Problem with that is you need to be able to take advantage of the short and shallow stuff to open up the opportunities downfield.
