Lol Jets a lot of fun in April, unproven in January

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  1. Miamipuck

    Miamipuck New Member

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    Think this guy will eat his words with his team doing the exact thing he advocated against........hahahah Man I just loe when guys have to eat their words...... This sloppy mess is by Dave Hyde of South Florida Sentinel. It is entertaining no matter how wrong or how much was omitted to prove his point


    This was in today's Sun Sentinel............ ROTFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Hypocrite Much?
    Jets a lot of fun in April, unproven in January
    Adding Holmes adds to questions about New York’s business model

    It's fun. It's intoxicating. The New York Jets' manner of snapping up headline talent at playmaking positions makes them the talk team of this NFL offseason and Dolphins fans all kinds of jealous.

    It's just not the business model to win in the NFL.

    This is hard to see given the obvious talent the Jets have injected to their roster. And maybe they make it work. Maybe Rex Ryan is a mad enough scientist to mold these players from different teams and wayward focus into a champion.

    Just don't bet too hard on it. Look at the perennial Super Bowl contenders over the last decade. Look at the common link to how they win.

    Look at Indianapolis. Of its 53-man Super Bowl roster in February, 47 played every NFL down with the Colts. Of the six who didn't, none started and two were kickers Adam Vinatieri and Matt Stover.

    Look at New England. Year after year, it collects draft picks. It has three second-round picks this year and Oakland's first-rounder next April. Unlike Indy, it takes the occasional risk like Randy Moss, but that's because the Patriot Way is firm in the locker room.

    Look at Pittsburgh. It discarded talented receiver and problem child Santonio Holmes to the Jets this week for a fifth-round pick. But dumping a guy who's a regular question is only half this story from the Steelers' view.

    Pittsburgh will replace Holmes next year with Mike Wallace, who as a rookie last year led the league with 19.4 yards per catch.

    Just like they let Joey Porter leave to the Dolphins for a $20 million signing bonus in 2007 and replaced him with an undrafted free agent who was a role player to that point. James Harrison immediately became the NFL defensive player of the year and helped the Steelers to a Super Bowl win.

    Each offseason, it seems, Pittsburgh quietly loses some of the headline talent the Jets have picked up to such applause this offseason. Yet somehow the Steelers have won two of the last six Super Bowls and are annual contenders.

    They understand the model of how to win in the NFL. Dump older and more troubled or expensive players. Insert the younger and hungrier one who has developed in your system.

    In sports like baseball and basketball, players move from team to team and individual talent carries the day. Josh Beckett's fastball strikes out batters in Fenway Park like it once did for the Marlins Get your Marlins Tickets now!. Dwyane Wade could make a half-dozen teams a playoff team next year just like he has the Heat.

    Football is different. It's not so easy to translate how a great player will do in a new system with millions in his pocket. Albert Haynesworth was the best defensive lineman in football for Tennessee a year ago. He was lost in Washington. So was Jason Taylor.

    The Dolphins are following the very sure, very safe, very methodical model of treating draft picks like gold and developing players in your system that the Colts, Patriots and Steelers have won with.

    You need patience in the front office to do this. And long contracts. Most of all, you have to be smarter than most teams. Indy's Super Bowl roster had 33 draft picks and 15 free agents who either were undrafted or never made it on other teams.

    At some point, you see, the Dolphins have to find a No. 1 receiver. It's fine to say Edwards is too expensive or Holmes has too many issues. But until they get a player doing it their way fans are jealous about the Jets' instant gratification.

    The Jets sling around draft picks like frisbees (multiple picks and players for Mark Sanchez and Braylon Edwards). They take on baggage that well-run teams are happy to dump (Holmes from Pittsburgh; Antonio Cromartie from San Diego.)

    In all this, two things look in the Jets' favor:

    All the players they got are young. Edwards, for instance, is 27. Holmes and Cromartie are 26.

    Each plays positions of increasing importance in the NFL. Great cornerbacks and receivers are at a premium as rules loosen on passing.

    The Steelers, Patriots and Colts never make the kind of offseason headlines the Jets are. They make no headlines at all, just like the Dolphins aren't.

    There are two business plans at work here. Two ways to try and win. One is proven, if you can draft well enough. The other? Good luck, Jets.
     
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  2. themorey

    themorey Well-Known Member

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    "The Steelers, Patriots and Colts never make the kind of offseason headlines the Jets are. They make no headlines at all, just like the Dolphins aren't."

    He needs to update his article after Miami's big splash today.
     
  3. Enigmah

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    There is no update, but....

    Trade for Marshall is fun, inspired and completely desperate
    by: Dave Hyde

    http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/miami-dolphins/fl-hyde-brandon-marshall-0415-20100414,0,7283474.column

    It's fun. It's intoxicating. It's … oh,wait, that's how I started yesterday's column questioning the New York Jets about trading draft picks for problem players in the way the Dolphins did Wednesday for Brandon Marshall.

    This trade is nuts. And inspired. It's desperate. And exciting. Above all, the Dolphins' answering their No. 1 problem with the league's No. 1 problem child is all kinds of contradictory.

    Consider: While coaching Dallas, Dolphins czar Bill Parcells wouldn't even call mercurial Terrell Owens by name. Yet Marshall's issues make Owens look like Ranger Rick by comparison.

    Are the Dolphins better today than yesterday? Obviously. And not by a little.

    Does the offense have a gear missing for, oh, 15 years? Definitely. Marshall instantly changes it from plodding to potent.

    Is this the kind of all-in gamble that runs against most NFL models for success and everything the Dolphins brass preached in their careers? Yep, that, too. That's why it's so fascinating. Listen to how they've talked.

    Don't give up big money combined with big draft picks, General Manager Jeff Ireland has said.

    They gave two second-round picks and $47 million ($24 million guaranteed) for Marshall.

    Don't add, "diva receiv-ahs," as coach Tony Sparano prounounced them.

    Marshall is a diva worth 10 columns a year just by showing up, meaning I love this move for that reason alone, though whether the headline involves domestic abuse, practice pouts or touchdown catches becomes the question.

    Don't keep knuckleheads on the roster, Parcells said through his career and in his first address to the Dolphins' players in 2007.

    Why do you think Denver traded Marshall?

    Why didn't former coach Mike Shanahan didn't make a play for him in Washington?

    Marshall has beaten women, been suspended by the league once and Broncos on another occasion, swatted away passes in practice like a child and been accused by his coach, Josh McDaniels, of sitting out last year's finale with the playoffs on the line.

    "There are a lot of players that will play with a lot of things on Sunday that are a lot worse than that,'' McDaniels said of Marshall's injury.

    If you were to rank the kind of players Parcells doesn't want, Marshall would top the list in the NFL today. Yet the first thing Parcells did was hand him the second-biggest contract in Dolphins history behind Jake Long. Huh?

    This is what elite talent does smart-turned-desperate people. It forced them to make an exception to developed philosophies. Sometimes it works. Sometimes your own words get thrown back at you.

    File away this one: "Make one exception and soon you have a room of exceptions," Parcells likes to say.

    This isn't to slap down this move. If it works, it's exactly what this offense needed. And there's are two distinct differences between the Jets' and Dolphins recent moves.

    First, the Jets got a few players of questionable character and of good-not-great talent. Of all the things said about Marshall, his three-straight, 100-catch seasons puts him in the league's elite talent.

    Second, the Dolphins paid exponentially more than the Jets. Santonio Holmes for a fifth-round pick? That's peanuts compared to what the Dophins did.

    Would you trade Chad Henne, Sean Smith and $47 million for Marshall? That's what the Dolphins did, in effect, with the involved draft picks (change it to Pat White, Philip Merling and $47 million to make it go down easier.)

    This shows just how desperate the Dolphins are for a No. 1 receiver. They either didn't like Oklahoma State receiver Dez Bryant or weren't sure he would be available at their No. 12 pick this draft. It was either this trade or more Ted Ginn.

    Well-constructed teams can take on a problem child. New England traded for Randy Moss, put his locker next to quarterback Tom Brady and immediately won 18 straight games.

    But the Patriots and Moss comparison only goes so far. New England got him for a fourth-round pick and didn't reward him with a new contract until after his stellar first season. The Dolphins' risk is exponentially more.

    Somewhere in all this, you know the Dolphins' front office picked the mind of new defensive coordinator Mike Nolan, who was in Denver last year. Nolan didn't get along with McDaniel, who didn't get along with Marshall. What's he know?

    Give the Dolphins credit. They made the kind of big, bold, adventurous move people have been pining for. It's the move that makes champions. Or will get everyone in charge fired.

    It's fun. It's intoxicating. It's just contradictory to how teams usually win in the NFL and everything this front office stands for.
     
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  4. greenbeanz

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    he kinda eats his words in this article. at least he acknowledges the fact that the move reeks of desperation and is a much higher risk than santonio
     
  5. jetsmets93

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    does this dips**t realize that the unproven january jets won 2 playoff games last year? what were the dolfags doing in january with their can't miss developmental system... playing golf... in rex we trust!
     
  6. CJLang

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    I don't think he eats his words at all. He sees the same flaws he pointed out with the Jets.

    While I don't agree with him, he stands by his original story.
     
  7. Jets n Boys

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    HAHAHA. Less than a day later, this shithead is eating his own shit. Dolphins just doled TWO SECOND ROUNDERS for a nutcase that is a few steps closer to jail than Santonio Holmes. Not only that, they just gave up almost a $50 mil contract to him and are stuck with it regardless of what Marshall does off the field. Talk about no headlines. What a fucking loser!
     
  8. Jake

    Jake Well-Known Member

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    I wish someone would pay me to share my opinion on football with the world. This guy probably posts at Fagheaven
     
  9. dthomas53

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    This flip-flop, double standard BS pretty much summarizes 99% of media reporting these days, especially in sports.

    None of this matters, anyway. Revis will make him disappear.
     
  10. JfaulkNYJ

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    If making bold moves during the offseason is bad then being a GM must be the easiest job ever. Just don't do shit. Put some sun tan lotion on ya prick!
     
  11. Barry the Baptist

    Barry the Baptist Hello son, would you like a lolly?
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    I find it funny how he mentions that we gave up draft picks for Sanchez and Edwards yet he fails to mention that those two players came within one half of the Super Bowl. I love how he fails to mention that with the moves the Jets have made over the last decade they still have more wins, more playoffs appearances and more playoff wins then the fish. He fails to mention that the Jets have won 17 of 22 from Flipper. Have the Phins even won a game since the mid 90's? Oh yeah their two playoff appearances since our 1-15 in 96 have given them ample opportunity.

    Maybe the Homes move blows up in our face or maybe it doesn't but considering we gave up essentially nothing for a guy who was a SB MVP and has 1200 yards last year is well worth it.
     
  12. Hemi

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    uhhh. The Jets strategy made it all the way to the AFC Championship game last year. Not a bad start for Rex.
     
  13. Vorrecht

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    Do not question men named Rex and Mr. T.
     
  14. NDmick

    NDmick Revis Christ

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    I didn't read either article once I saw Sun Sentinel
     
  15. Miamipuck

    Miamipuck New Member

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    NF(no fun)Mick, I suggest you reconsider. It is quite funny looking back on the first one.
     
  16. thatisjetsfootball

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    hahaha they mean Randy Moss, Corey Dillon, Junior Seau, even Wes Welker and I am forgetting at least 10 names, is not making splashes during the offseason!
     
  17. NDmick

    NDmick Revis Christ

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    I couldn't get past the beginning of the second article because he writes like he's in college on facebook..

    Dave Hyde sucks.
     
  18. All Gas No Shake

    All Gas No Shake Well-Known Member

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    at least he's consistent, but what he fails to mention is that the jets have been drafting better than the fins even with fewer picks. so ...
     
  19. JackBower

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    This is great because while he wrote the Jets article he was thinking "I am going to get a lotta love from the Miami community for pulling everyone out of the moral gutter"

    When he saw the Marshal trade he thought "Fuck, now I have to write a counter article about Miami's pickup or I am going to be more of a laughing stock that I already am." HE really put himself in a rock and hard place.

    Yea I guess when NE picked up Moss that wasn't headline material anyways...
     
  20. jaywayne12

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    Ah, the hypocrisy.

    Is Holmes Marshall? No. Has he done more clutch things than Marshall...yes. Does this writer realize that Holmes is costing the Jets nothing this year and is playing for a contract? Apparently ignored.

    This bad boy image by picking up two players is nonsense..total nonsense. Both are in their mid twenties and both are playing for more money.

    They will sink or swim. If they sink...only the db position would truly suffer...doubt that.

    If one..just one of the two troubled players prospers...its a home run for the Jets. As far as Edwards being the third..he proved last year that he too..when it comes to money..can shut up and play football.

    Can Rex make all of these guys fit into the chemistry of the team? Thats the question...and that has not much to do with their past off the field.

    Sink or swim......if 1 of these guys has a great year...the Jets will be better than last year.
     

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