I am not particularly sure of the talent level at these positions this year. It seems two of our glaring weaknesses are on the OLine and not having a formidable pass rushing linebacker. So, draft gurus, what are the talent levels at this position and which position do you think they target if they were to target one of these positions with the first pick?
I've been saying for quite a while, O Line and Linebacker youth (speed) is our greatest needs. Matthews, Warmack, Lewan are a few good OL options in Rd 1. Mingo, Montgomery & Jordan are in play in Rd 1, not too thrilled with this group as mid 1st Round draft choices. If, big if, Werner falls to the Jets just out of the Top 10, I'd grab Him over all the O-line man I mentioned. The combine will tell us how high Werner will be drafted, he's a lock to be a top 12 pick. Rd 2 Linebackers....Chase Thomas, Sean Porter, Shane Skov & Travis Long, someone people aren't talking about who have been very productive, are all Rd 2 options . Two undersized OLBs, Khaseem Greene & Arthur Brown are 2 of my favorite players in this draft. I doubt Rex would consider them, but you never know. Arthur Brown is going to be a stud, he's very underrated. We can get some good a WRs, RBs and TEs after Round 2.
Jets have a lot of needs: LB, OL, RB, WR, TE, QB. It's going to take more than one draft to fix all of the issues. I say go with BPA at any of those positions.
No reaching, Just build through the draft. Please Jets! I mean we have 33 free agents or somewhere around that number were scerwed anyway
It's going to take more than one draft to get this team back up to speed. Tanny's philosophy trading away picks has hurt the depth of this team.
If the Jets were to trade down this year What do you think about Alex Okafor as a mid to late pick? He's not a pass rush specialist but from what I've seen/gathered he does well in open space, is good at setting the edge , and isn't pass rush demon, but is consistant. Couple of O-Line that I like in the second round as well. Warford, and Dallas Thomas for a mid second sounds reasonable as well
As I mentioned earlier in another thread also, the value sucks after the top 5 or 6 players and not many teams will want to move up into mid round 1. Round 1 quality is terrible this year, all the value is in Rd 2 - 4 and teams should be reluctant to give those picks. Okafor is a good player, the LBs available in Rd 2/3 I mentioned are IMO, a better fit and value.
I don't think it's impossible to trade down. It seems illogical but teams make stupid moves all the times. Teams covert players to the point of extremes all the time. I'm sure someone is going to trade up/down.
It's a pretty good year for OL & defensive front 7 prospects. After tht...you don't see alot of value till the mid rounds. That said..the Jets do have needs at both OL & the front 7. Plenty of good fits out there for the Jets to target.
I think there are a number of people that would be good value in the teens. I think there are two QB's that might get out to the twenties and make people look. The premier star value is concentrated at the top of the draft but unless an unusual number of juniors choose not to come out this year I think the first round has decent value all the way to the bottom of the round. There are two really good offensive linemen who are likely to make it out to the 14 or so in Chance Warmack and Jake Matthews. People are talking Warmack up but he's a guard and those guys just don't go that early. There are several decent pass rushers likely to make it down to 14 including Bjoern Werner and Damontre Moore. There are even two QB's likely to be available in Geno Smith and Matt Barkley. If the Jets find a way not to come out of this draft with an impact player at a position of need then they're hopeless.
it all depends on where we land in the draft, we can win these next 4 games and go 9-7 and end with a mid-late teens pick. if that happens most of the value players will be gone, I would go OLine in the first, because there is a few linebackers I like in the 2nd/3rd: Chase Thomas - fantastic motor, gets to the QB a lot more than his sacks will tell you, great blitzer off the edge, can cause turnovers. reminds me a lot of Clay Matthews. Sean Porter - fast powerful linebacker. can do it all: create turnovers, get to the quarterback. Gerald Hodges - has the ability to be a 3 down linebacker, fast, good motor. Khaseem Greene - one thing stands out to me about Greene, he played his fiorst 2 seasons at Rutgers as a safety then was moved to OLB. he caused 6 forced fumbles, he's around the ball and in on almost every play.
We need LBs the most, but we need to add at least one starter to the OL in the upcoming draft. 1st round: Dion Jordan. Love his overall athletic ability. Although he's very lean, he's very powerful. Uses his leverage well. Could add 10lbs. Without losing his speed and flexibility. He's pretty good in pass coverage as well. 2nd round: Larry Warford. Better at pass protection then run blocking, but plays hard and is mean. We need some nastiness to our line. This guy brings that to the table. 3rd round: Cornellius Carradine. He just tore his ACL, but was a 1st round talent before the injury. He will drop, hopefully this far. Explosive off the snap. High motor. Has strong hands. Good against the run. Was really coming on before the injury. Didn't want to do a mock draft. But if we could pull these three picks off then we solidify our biggest need, which is our lack of pass rush. We also add a very good guard. He may not be Warmack but a very solid pick.
I'm a big fan of Warford in the 2nd round. I think if there is any trade downs to be had in the middle of the first it will be for either a CB or OT, or if someone slips that a team covets...which ALWAYS happens somewhat. I'd be surprised if Warmack goes before pick 15. No guard in the last 12 years or so has gone higher than 16 and only one has gone higher than 20. For better or worse guards are severly undervalued, especially in todays pass happy league.
I love Chase Thomas, Skov is the other Stanford LB I like but he plays inside. I'd be fine with either but IMO OLB is a bigger issue then ILB. Greene is another guy I really like but I worry about his ability to get bigger. He is a great tweener and reminds me alot of Thomas Howard but I'm not sure if he has the size to play OLB in the NFL.
Greene's got 4-3 MLB size and decent speed. He's played OLB and SS. Maybe he winds up in the middle of the defense but closer to the line of scrimmage? He's not quite fast enough to play that destructo-safety position that's becoming the rage in college these days. Those guys play in the box all the time but they're actually smaller than a normal strong safety. They play like a nickel backer in a nickel corner's body.
The Jets need to have a "boring" draft and draft o-linemen early in this draft. Drafting Brick and Mangold set the foundation for a great line from 08-10. We need to draft another monster to help our running backs so that they don't average under 4 ypc. The linemen will struggle early, especially with our brutal schedule next year. But it will pay huge dividends in 2014 and on. This team will not be a superbowl contender anytime soon. They need to draft the foundation (O-line, QB, and D-line) within the next 2 years and go from there. Unless the Jets get a chance at Geno or Barkley, they should stick with Sanchez and suck next year in order to draft a good QB in 2014.
I am far from a Sanchez supporter, but the Jets were pretty good his first two years. Why was that? That was because the Jets had a very good running game and a dominant defense. I feel like the Jets still have a very good defense, the main problems with the Jets are the offense. Look, Sanchez will be a Jet for at the 2013-2014 season, so you can't just fold, you have to try to build around him. How do you do that? Get back to having a dominant running game, and don't make Sanchez have to do that much. The Jets priorities for the off season have to be improving the running game which includes bringing in a running back with more of a burst, and improving at LG. The Jets are completely fine at LT and C, and Howard has been solid at RT. The two problem's are LG and RG. Moore has been good, but he is getting old, so he will eventually need a replacement. While, the platoon of Ducasse and Slauson has not been very good. Yes, I know the Jets have some other problems like mobility of the line backers, lack of a true pass rusher, and an inept QB, but if the Jets get back to ground and pound with a dominant defense, this team can be very good. Otherwise, yes, the Jets will have to completely rebuild.
