So i'm sure many of you have seen/heard Kiper's latest Mock that has us selecting Lawrence Timmons. I realize it's Kiper, and the guy is a douche, but as we get closer to the draft, he may becoming more accurate. This is the Scouts Inc. report on Timmons, who may actually project very well into Mangini's scheme. Lawrence Timmons OLB | (6'0", 234, 4.66) | FLORIDA STATE Scouts Grade: 93 Flags: (Y: YOUNG PLAYER) Need more film evaluation Evidently, he has some excellent gameskills. My firend is a big FSU fan and, along with living in the South, I caught a bunch of Nole games -- Timmons is fast! If the DL does it's job, he can wreak havoc in the backfield. And his weaknesses all appear to be ones that can be corrected or improved upon by sound coaching. Maybe the only deterrant is his weight, but he'll probably add some weight and it doesn't even have to be much. What do you guys think? Is this the impact player, game-changer the D needs? the guy that will harass Brady to the point he has nightmares of him? Thoughts... cheers
l.timmons where the jets draft at #25.lawrence timmons is one of the players that has a good chance of falling to the jets.he played for a losing team last year and still made plays that the pro scouts saw his ability.he is still growing in stature and ability.in my estimation he will make a very good pro football player.
Timmons looks like a real prospect. Bryan Thomas would probably have to flop over to strong side to get both of them on the field at the same time. I think the Jets should be taking whoever the best player is on that pick and if Timmons was there he might well be the guy.
i agree with BPA. i'm kind of hoping that, at that point, Timmons will be the BPA because his skillset looks like he can be a force on the D. if the DL improves and learns to plug gaps and free up the LB's, Timmons has enough speed that he'll cause a lot of QB's problems; not to mention, his athleticism and speed allow him to drop back into coverage -- something our OLB's aren't very capable of doing. cheers
I'd be very happy if the best player at 25 turned out to be a 3-4 OLB. Obviously the Jets need some help on the line at this point but assembling 4 good to great linebackers would also solidify the 3-4 and no defensive linemen worth taking in the first are likely to drop to 25.
my thoughts exactly. a lot of people around here suggest DT/NT at #25 because it's a pretty glaring need. however, the crop of NT's worth any value don't fall out of the top 15 -- after that it's not worth taking one until a later round. i think the DL is better as of now. but that's not to say it's very good and can't improve; in fact, it has to for our D to be strong. after reading the Scouts Inc. reports of the other OLB's projected in the #25 area, it seems most of them lack one of two crucial elements: (a) the ability to drop back into coverage, or (b) speed coming off the edge. for example, Spencer is quick and compact, but he can't cover. same goes for Woodley. a guy like Charles Johnson (Georgia) has good build, but he's not really fast getting into the backfield. Timmons appears to possess both of these. the only thing i'd worry about is his size, which isn't that big of a deal because he's pretty strong - though he can get stronger - and he can add weight. getting an OLB like Timmons - if his skillset translates well and he pans out - to strengthen the LB corps will go a long way towards creating a dominant D. cheers
I really like Timmons. For the 4-3. For a 3-4 scheme, the guy's really just too damn small to play OLB. He'd have to slide next to Vilma at ILB which, while not a bad thing, would take away his pass rush skills. 3-4 OLBs are usually basically undersized DEs; ~255 lbs to ~270 lbs is ideal. Timmons weighs 234 lbs. Remember that we play a hybrid defense as well where he'd have to line up as a DE from time to time next to Coleman/Ellis/whoever. Guys like Spencer fit the mold much better because they are the right build (Spencer's 261 lbs). As seen with Bryan Thomas last year, you can teach someone like that to be adequate in coverage. You can't, however, get around the fact that Timmons would be going 1-on-1 with O-lineman in many situations and is undersized for that task.
I have seen Timmons going to the pats in many mock drafts. So people must think he will fit in the 3-4. I know he just started one yr at FSU but has a ton of potential. every report I read has mixed reports(I will let our scouts decide) And I agree take the BPA. plus there are a couple positions you never do in the 1st rnd. K, P, FB, G I think we are fine at HB, QB, C and there are no DT's avaialble at 25(unless branch falls hard) I think the Jets will consider Timmons if he is there. Its not like a CB or any position will start right away at the 25th pick. Most players drafted in the 20's dont start year one so I say go for the future, not need.
I think we'd be much better served taking someone like Spencer. It's generally not a good idea to stack your 3-4 with a lot of small linebackers. You want some guys that can get after the QB. -X-
He's still quite young and will likely add some real muscle as he enters an NFL training program. His height is excellent for a 3-4 linebacker at 6'3" and with another 15 pounds he'd be an ideal 3-4 OLB.
Well that's what I was saying, he'd fit the 3-4 as an ILB, not an OLB in his current condition. If Mangini and co. think that he can put on 15 lbs. of muscle and hold it than I have no beef with the pick. He's just not gonna be able to walk onto this defense as-is as an OLB and make much of an impact.
He's only 6-0, and doesn't have a very imposing frame. Timmons is ideal as a weakside 43 LB, he doesn't have the size or physicality to play either inside or outside in the 34. He's a great passrusher, and has the potential to be solid in coverage, but he can't make that switch.
http://seminoles.cstv.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/timmons_lawrence00.html http://www.nfl.com/draft/profiles/2007/timmons_lawrence I suppose he might have measured out differently at the combine. It would not be the first time a player's college records were hyped to make him seem bigger. Best example for us being Wayne Chrebet who played his entire career at 5'8.5" instead of the generous 5'10" the Jets listed him as. And indeed he seems to have measured at a shade under 6'1" at the combine. Will wonders never cease.
hmm yeah, he's pretty small. i guess he'd get blown up by big OL-men. oh well, I would have wanted to see him coming off the edge. cheers
Under-sized linebackers are a liability in the 3-4 unless they have real impact when they hit somebody. Now that it appears that Timmons has been deflated some I'm not sure how well he would fit in the same LB corps with Vilma, who is definitely undersized for a 3-4.
