Law and Abraham: Those who want to get ride of both

The solution isn't simple.

That being said, when you're in cap hell, there ARE NO simple solutions. The greatest challenge Mangini faces is trying to figure out what to do with the talent he has. Additionally, Law was hardly a shutdown corner last year and Abraham is an elite pass rusher in short stints of the season with a history of injuries. When you have cap problems, it does not pay to invest in those kinds of guys.

People are acting as if Abraham had 15 sacks last year.

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Honestly? I'm as big an Abraham fan as anyone, but did his pass rush help our D much last yr? NOPE. He's a good player, but not at 8.3M.

As for Law? I can get 10 INT if people threw the ball right to me.

 

I would like to see Abe stay, I do think he is a game changing player who can single handly win us a game or two which in the NFL means a hell of a lot. Law, I know his number last year maeke you go DAMN, but have you seen him run? Looks like he is in quicksand and all the penalities, Law is jut a cagey old vet who knows how to play situations, given his age and the fact we drafted Justin Miller, I think he can go, espically for that 11 million upcoming.

 

Thank you. I understand the cap is a bitch, guys and we need to make some tough decisions. However, I'm still suprised how vocal everyone here is about getting rid of our two best defensive players. Who steps in for J-Abe? Thomas? LOL. Who steps in for Law? "Fumbles" Miller? Wonderful.

 

I don't see how people can discount Abraham after one mediocre season (numbers-wise anyway). Watch him play. He makes game-changing plays. Which other d-lineman do we have who can force that many fumbles?

 

Abraham is a good one no doubts there, but I don't think he is a piece we can't lose. You can find pass rushers and that's all Abe was. Like
Jetsin2004 said, our defense wasn't even that good with him last year.

Ty Law was NEVER a JET. He came he for some quick cash and to have the ability to become a UFA again. Ty Law was apparently skipping meetings and sleeping during there or something like that I don't remember what exactly he was doing, but what kind of leader is that? Buh Bye Ty...

 

Exactly like Penny said, I have no problem with both going. I'd like to net some value for Abraham though.

 

No one wants to get rid of anyone. The reality is the Jets are in rebuilding mode...they have no choice. The cap situation, regardless of what Mr. Bradway told everyone...forces the issue.

I love Ty Law, and would love to see him in Green and White for the rest of his career, but the Jets need to clean house cap-wise, and the only way to do that is cut Law and TRY and get enough cap room to do a sign-and-trade with Abraham so we don't lose him for nothing.

 

Screw Ty Law

 

Gosh I feel so bad for Abe...just look how sad he was in my avatar....poor guy

 

Law is NOT a shutdown corner...I lost count of how many ten yard outs he got taken for last year, some shut down corner he is. At this point, I would let go of Law, he is a goner anyways and will save us a lot of cap space. Abe is tougher to let go, but he is only a huge difference maker on third and long, and if we cannot stop the run, we will not get in that position. I am good with Thomas and Ellis for next year. We need a huge NT as we all know, its time to rebuild, neither of these guys is in the cards, Ellis soaked up all the money.

 

I read speculation in The Star-Ledger in recent days that Abraham is looking for $18 Million per year. I say "speculation," because the paper quoted "sources close to" as saying this and that. We don't know how accurate this is and I do realize how much Abe contributes, but do we really need to spend that kind of money on a guy who (a) has required the kind of hand-holding he's required and (b) was reluctant to even attempt to try to play in post season (when we needed him the most) because he was afraid further injury might "damage his career?" I mean, $18 Million? We're not talking Lawrence Taylor in his prime here.

The paper also speculated that Kansas City might be on of those interested in Abraham. Gee.... I wonder what the connection might be there? Hey, if Herm wants to hold John's hand again, give up a 1st Rounder for him and bury themselves in that kind of Cap Hell, I have no problem letting him go and taking my chances finding another suitable pass-rusher.

 

Dude, its not a matter of WANTING to get rid of them. Its just that we might not be able to afford them and it might not be in our long term self interest to try. First, you're talking as if we're making a run at the SB next season. I don't think that will happen. That being the case, we can take a short term hit on the talent side for long term gain. My solution is this. Let Mangini work with our young and talented secondary. And get the best rush we can from the guys we have on the roster now.

 

18M signing bonus maybe, not 18M per year.

He's not going to get it until there is a new CBA, because ANY TEAM that gives him 18M signing bonus now would have to count 4.5M on the cap this year just in signing bonus.

 

I disagree with these guys who find it 'acceptable' to get rid of Abraham simply because we're in cap hell and 'tough decisions' like that need to be made. This isn't a tough decision; you keep one of the best pass rushers in the league. We should straighten out our cap situation by restructuring horrible contracts and getting rid of dead weight. Since we have alot of both horrible contracts and dead weight, thats what we should concentrate on. Getting rid of Abe would significantly weaken our team. He's worth an investment because he's a really good player. The other guys who we have so much invested in are not worth it and should be straightened out. You guys make it sound like the only way we get out of cap hell is if we let Abraham go. WRONG.

 

Explain to me how you afford him.

We're 26 over the cap. We'll restructure to get that under the cap. If we keep Abraham and franchise him, it's another 8.3M we need to clear.

If we sign him to a contract with a 16M bonus, guess what? That's 4M just in signing bonus on the cap if the contract is 4 or more years long since the current CBA says bonuses can't stretch past 2009. Also, the uncapped year claims raises can not be more than 30% each year. This means if you sign him now to a 500K base and 16M signing bonus, his base/roster/everything for 2007 can only be 650K. 2008? 845K 2009? 1.0985M.

Yes, that's the most he can make in ANY of those years if he gets a base salary of 500K this year with whatever bonus he gets. That makes his 4 yr contract worth 19M? He's not signing that.

OK, so you say give him a 3M base this year.. SURE, that makes his salary for 2006 count 7M on the cap.

The old CBA is going to make it hard for any team to sign him.

 

Lumping Law and Abraham together makes no sense to me. Law is only reasonable if you think the Jets are close to SB quality, and they're not. A long term deal for Abraham, on the other hand, makes perfect sense to me, but it depends on what he wants. I can't see any reason to franchise him, however, unless the intention is to then trade him - $8+ million on the cap in a rebuilding year is no way to get better.

 

Having a shutdown corner or a pass rusher and a 29 million salary cap problem does not help us. We can't score! We need more young athletic people on our team. Solving the cap problem will point us in the right direction. 8.3 million for one player is outrageous! We could get 4/5 player for that money. EM is going to implement the 3-4 defense. Brian Thomas will be more than adequate as our DE. Law is OLD and Abraham is injury prone. Get rid of both of them!

 

Justin Miller will suffice at left corner and with his upside, who knows what hes capable of. As for Abe, I dont think itll be that tough to replace him. Since we're moving to a 3-4, I think Bobby Carpenter in the 2nd round would be good fit when Abe leaves. Or we could try to get Arrington in a trade with Washington