This guy is perfect as a NT. He is 6-5, 330 pounds, from the Packers, and only 28 years old. That size couldn't be much better for a NT. We could put Robertson at DE, where he would be PERFECT at in a 3-4 and our pass rush would be amazing. I would rather find that great, big NT and move Robertson to DE, than find a big DE through the draft or free agency. I think Robertson is a perfect DE in a 3-4, and if we already have that than why not put him there and find a NT, instead of keeping Robertson at a position that he is not as well-suited to play. EDIT: I mispelled his name, lol. It is Kendrick Allen.
I had a question. What is the difference between a DE in the 3-4 and 4-3. I am not sure but I am guessing that in the 4-3 you can have a smaller quicker DE that more emphasizes on pass rush such as Dwight Freeney. In the 3-4 the DE needs to be bigger to be able to stop the rush but also rush the QB which is why Robertson could be key in this position. This is just my guess so if anyone can clarify this for me it would be a plus. Also what did Robertson play in College?
Yup he is pretty good, but he was hurt all of last year. The Packers have two other good DT so I don't think they will re-sign Allen. He is a very good run stopper.
3-4 DE's tend to be tall though usually.....although i really think dewayne, BIG NT, and Ellis would be an awesome upgrade....i think dewayne could be great as a 3-4 DE even though he isn't really prototypical size
Allen would probably be to tall to play that position. You really need a shorter wider guy who can create leverage.
Then that is Robertson, a short wide guy. But Robertson is not a NT. NT usally are tall actually. Most NT are about 6'4 - 6-7 and about 325 - However large you can get. Allen is the prototypical NT. Also he could be had EXTREMELY cheap, especially due to his injury this season.
Sands would be good too. They are both similar players and similar sizes, but I think Allen will want much less money than Sands. Although Sands wouldn't be too expensive, both would be good.
Thanks a lot sounds good. If Robertson does become our DE I would also want a young guy from the draft to back him up and be a spark. I hope you guys are right about these NT's.
they may not be tall. but guys like wilfork and jamal walliams and ted washington are some big bastards. and jamal aint all that short at 6'3 and ted washington is 6'5
Some Nose Tackles are tall and fat but most are not. Ted Washington comes to mind as the prototype at like 6'7" 350. But most big guys like that have trouble holding anchor because of there lack of leverage on generally shorter Centers who usually are around 6'2". Predominantly Nose Tackles are shorter, more like 6'1" to 6'3" (see below). I think Sands could play Nose Tackle (not that I am an expert) and won't argue about Allen because I have never seen or heard of him. The main thing with the Nose Tackle is you want him to be squat but not fat because he has to occupy two gaps which means he needs to have strength to move the center and collapse the pocket but also the athleticism and agility to shift from side to side to fill the proper lane. 3-4 Defensive Ends are more of a taller breed because they face much larger Tackles and their job is not necessarily to collapse the pocket as much as it is to control the edge to allow the Outside Linebacker to come around the outside and rush the passer. For example, no one is projecting Alan Branch (6'6" 330)to be a 3-4 NT, he is being pegged at end but Amobi Okoye may be the best Nose Tackle in the draft because of his squat stature (6'1" 320) and lateral quickness. Haloti Ngata was the can't miss Nose Tackle from the last draft and I believe he was something like 6'5" 340 but if you watch the Ravens (I'm stuck down here in DC) he actually plays a lot of DE when they go to the 3-4 and they leve Gregg (6'1" 310) in at Nose Tackle instead. 3-4 Nose Tackles Casey Hampton (6'1" 325) Chris Hoke (6'3" 305) Keith Traylor (6'2" 347) Vince Wilfork (6'2" 325) Isaac Sopoaga (6'2" 321) Ted Washington (6'5" 365) Ethan Kelly (6'2" 320) Jason Ferguson (6'3" 310) Jamal Williams (6'3" 348) DeWayne Robertson (6'1" 317) As Robertson grows and matures I think he may be a good fit as a Nose Tackle. I think DE is the place we need to upgrade and grab some size. Some players I'd look at are in the draft (Jamaal Anderson, Adam Carriker, Jay Moore, Baraka Atkins, Ray McDonald, etc.)
As a followup, I actually feel like Robertson's quickness and ability to collapse the pocket makes him a much better fit at Nose Tackle than on the end where he would most likely be eaten up by big tackles and forced to just hold his ground and occupy blocks.
Wow, those numbers are shocking - Robertson looks half the size of Wilfork when you watch them play - either he plays small, or the numbers are wrong. Or I'm wrong, which is highly doubtful.
he's not perfect at all. 1st of all he never played NT before. he doesnt even get playing time as a 4-3 DT so why in the hell should he compete for a starting job at NT which requires a lot more talent and skills? 2nd of all he's too tall and not big enough. a perfect nose tackle would be about 6'1/6'2, 330 lbs. re: sands i think he could play NT (effective) because he has the strength and mentality to do it. he's a pure run stopper. even though i dont like his size at all (way too tall) i think he could get the job done. but again, he's just a situational guy. you can bring in him to stop the run but thats about it. he's just not in shape to start for any team out there. and no, he cannot play DE in a 3-4.
wilfork is definitely somewhere between 350 and 360 lbs. robertson looks more like 305 right now. there's definitely a huge gap between those two.
